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Remember at the NFOA meeting when I said "get the gun out in time"?
JTH:
--- Quote from: bullit on September 03, 2013, 06:33:10 AM ---Because you like to argue with Shawn???
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I do like to argue. But I also happen to think that Shawn is completely wrong on that topic. :) (Particularly given stats on what really happens in the majority of defensive gun uses.)
--- Quote ---Back to the article, the scientist in me always gets a little skeptical when spouting a "firm" statistic like "2 seconds" when in reality they have no idea because they weren't there ((that's called hearsay in the courtroom), especially as referenced in the article you linked. I am NOT discounting the premise of your topic mind you....fast and ON TARGET matters. "There are no missed, only unintended hits". -Tom Givens
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Understandable, and I'd have to see their actual research data to say whether or not it has much basis in fact. That being said, the original was "less than 2 seconds" and "90% of the altercations" which makes it a little less strident and absolute as a statement.
Someone earlier here made a good comment that in this day and age, dash cams and microphones actually can give us a good idea of the time frame, as opposed to later guesswork based on hearsay. Like I said, I'll be interested to see what their actual data is based upon. However, given current technology, I'm thinking that at least some of their data should actually be factual, as opposed to anecdotal. I wonder how much? 1100 lethal-level altercations is quite a lot, so I'm also curious as to the range of their data. (Both in time, and in area.)
wusker:
great video on the draw stroke. when he puts Cory under pressure for the first time he hits under 2 seconds and it looks slow, within a couple minutes of instruction, Ron Avery gets him on target, live fire in under a 1 sec! Good video and travis haley or his instructors usually teach me something
Lorimor:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 02, 2013, 01:03:35 PM ---
(Lorimor, are you still going with Glock? Or have you moved back to 1911? You liking that new holster?)
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Still have the 19 but I haven't got the front sight height nailed down just yet. I put a 10-8 Performance rear on it but I haven't decided on the front and have yet to determine the proper height. I have the plastic "file down" to fit front sight on hand but haven't gotten around to setting it up.
Besides, I have the Vickers 1911 class coming up later this month, so I'm obviously concentrating on the 1911 right now. :)
JTH:
--- Quote from: Lorimor on September 03, 2013, 09:49:11 AM ---Still have the 19 but I haven't got the front sight height nailed down just yet. I put a 10-8 Performance rear on it but I haven't decided on the front and have yet to determine the proper height. I have the plastic "file down" to fit front sight on hand but haven't gotten around to setting it up.
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Plastic front sights shear off very easily....that's pretty much the real reason I detest Glock sights. The rear--isn't great, but I can live with it. (Yes, I know, it is ALSO plastic. But it tends to run into things less, and most holsters don't touch the rear sight.) That stock front sight, though, gets thrown off the minute I get something else that isn't plastic.
Are you having significant trouble with the front sight height making your aiming point off? (I've used standard Warren Tacticals on four different Glocks now--34, 17, 19, and 26---and haven't had any issues with POA/POI differences, while just throwing the sights on and calling it good.)
bullit:
Still have the 19 but I haven't got the front sight height nailed down just yet. I put a 10-8 Performance rear on it but I haven't decided on the front and have yet to determine the proper height. I have the plastic "file down" to fit front sight on hand but haven't gotten around to setting it up.
Besides, I have the Vickers 1911 class coming up later this month, so I'm obviously concentrating on the 1911 right now. :)
Oh Brother....Lorimor shooting a Glock? Might as well give the guy the keys to the USS Kitty Hawk.....
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