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Remember at the NFOA meeting when I said "get the gun out in time"?

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JTH:
People are using all sorts of different distances and targets---and that's fine.  This isn't a competition, so we aren't trying to see how can crowd the timer the most.  :)

The point is, how can you make good defensive choices if you don't know your draw?  A guy is 15 feet away and starts moving toward you with an impact weapon.

Do you draw? 
Draw and move?
Flat-out run away?
Do you close and work empty hand defense?

Which do you choose?  How's your sprinting ability?  Do you have any empty-hand practice?  Is your draw fast enough to make a difference?  Is your shooting on the move accurate enough?

Working shooting skills on a timer won't tell you how you will do under life-and-death stress, of course.  (And hopefully, you'll never need to find out.) But it WILL tell you if you don't have any chance at all.

If the guy has a baseball bat, is starting to accelerate at you from 15 feet away, and your draw (whether moving or not) is 3 seconds----then you need to either close and work empty-hand, or you need to flat-out run.  Maybe you can draw as you run, but your normal draw is just too slow.  Unless the guy stops on seeing your hand movement, he is going to reach you before you get the gun out---and there you will be, with your hands occupied at waist level when he is swinging a bat at your head.

If you don't know your skill level, then you can't make appropriate defensive decisions---unless purely by accident.  And personally, I don't like to leave my life to chance.

abbafandr:

--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 18, 2013, 11:22:47 AM ---If the guy has a baseball bat, is starting to accelerate at you from 15 feet away, and your draw (whether moving or not) is 3 seconds----then you need to either close and work empty-hand, or you need to flat-out run.  Maybe you can draw as you run, but your normal draw is just too slow.  Unless the guy stops on seeing your hand movement, he is going to reach you before you get the gun out---and there you will be, with your hands occupied at waist level when he is swinging a bat at your head.
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Not a pleasant scenario.  The truth of the matter is your chances (mine at least) of stopping someone at that distance with a handgun are slim and none and Slim may be on his way  out of town.  You would have to sever the spinal cord with a bullet to stop him.  Most self defense ammo is designed to stop IN! the body to prevent collateral damage from over penetration.  (Ask NYPD or any agency that has had problem with ball ammo injuring bystanders ) :o

bkoenig:
According to most anti-gunners you should just take out your cell phone and dial 911.

abbafandr:

--- Quote from: bkoenig on September 18, 2013, 07:20:59 PM ---According to most anti-gunners you should just take out your cell phone and dial 911.

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Let me know how that works out.  :laugh:

kozball:

--- Quote from: bkoenig on September 18, 2013, 07:20:59 PM ---According to most anti-gunners you should just take out your cell phone and dial 911.

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Jimmy Johns?

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