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JTH:
The thread on "getting the gun out" made me curious.  How many people actually know their draw times from concealment?

The reason I'm asking is 1) I'm curious, and 2) time equates to distance.  If you have a fast draw, it means that you may have time to draw even with a close threat---but you won't know to make that choice if you don't know your draw time.

Choosing proper tactics means having a realistic appreciation of your skills---and so I'm curious as to how many people actually KNOW what their times are.

Another way of putting this---guy is standing 15 feet away, and will come at you the minute he sees you go for a gun.  If you back away as you do it, do you have enough time to get your gun out and put shots on target before he reaches you? 

How do you know?

Note:  this poll is not asking your draw times, so you don't need to worry about being embarrassed if you think you have a slow time.  On the other hand, if you are proud of your time (or just curious about comparisons) feel free to post it here.  This isn't a competition, though, and I'm more interested in how many people simply know their times.

(I've set the poll so that after answering, if you go out and find out your times, you can come back and change your answer.  :)  )

wallace11bravo:

--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 10, 2013, 11:08:01 AM ---
Note:  this poll is not asking your draw times, so you don't need to worry about being embarrassed if you think you have a slow time.  On the other hand, if you are proud of your time (or just curious about comparisons) feel free to post it here. 


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Thank god. I can embarrass myself enough without your help :)

2.0 ish cold, 1.65/7 average. Keeping in mind that I don't practice it as much as I should, and I usually er with a smaller target further out (typically a 6" plate at 10 yards) with an LC9 which is not exactly a "good" gun. Still, just terrible :(

One thing I'll note, it also depends on what I am wearing. In the winter, you can easily add a half second to those times. If I am wearing my big crazy snow shoveling gloves, I'd probably be better off trying to hit him with the shovel.

I do actually know my slide lock reload time from concealment, but being as how I don't carry a spare mag on my person 95% of the time, I don't consider it relevant. The time is atrocious anyway. Really bad.

JTH:
Okay, about 18 people have looked at this---and the poll doesn't tell WHO voted, so come on, people, take the poll!  It isn't like you can be embarrassed by it!

JTH:

--- Quote from: wallace11bravo on September 10, 2013, 11:32:12 AM ---2.0 ish cold, 1.65/7 average. Keeping in mind that I don't practice it as much as I should, and I usually er with a smaller target further out (typically a 6" plate at 10 yards) with an LC9 which is not exactly a "good" gun. Still, just terrible :(   
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Quite frankly, a 2 second draw from concealment isn't bad at all.  (Quite the contrary, really.)  That's a lot faster than most people.

In my case---I'm a cheater.  :)  (Those competition types, they always game things...)  I carry a full size gun, and am doing it from an appendix carry position---which gives about the best set of speed advantages you can get from your equipment placement and type.

Some of the reasons I chose that set of equipment is because I look stupidly obvious with pocket carry (and my draw times are ridiculously bad), and normal behind-the-hip IWB prints incredibly badly on me---but the main reason (after the fact that it conceals and is comfortable for me) is that it adds speed of access.  All other things being equal, appendix draw is simply faster.



--- Quote ---One thing I'll note, it also depends on what I am wearing. In the winter, you can easily add a half second to those times. If I am wearing my big crazy snow shoveling gloves, I'd probably be better off trying to hit him with the shovel.
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:)  I hear you.  I actually changed the winter coat I wear because the one that looks good on me pulls in at the waist---so I can't really draw from it.  [sigh]  Back to the coat that looks like a tent on me---but that I can draw from.  It is certainly slower than summer carry, though.

There's an idea for a different thread, though---in winter, do you change how you carry due to gloves/heavy coats etc?


--- Quote ---I do actually know my slide lock reload time from concealment, but being as how I don't carry a spare mag on my person 95% of the time, I don't consider it relevant. The time is atrocious anyway. Really bad.
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Hey!  You answered incorrectly on the poll, then!  Bad shooter!

My slidelock reload is only about 0.1-0.2 slower than my speed reload (from concealment), once I figured out the correct technique for a left-handed person in a right-handed gun world.  That being said, while I know my time and it isn't that bad---in summer, I often don't carry an extra magazine either. 

Not necessarily the best tactical choice, but it certainly makes for a more comfortable summer.  (In winter I add an extra magazine, because concealment and comfort isn't as much of a problem.)

bullit:
Yes sir....can you please qualify if you want my times using "Aimed Fire" or "Point Shooting"? Bustin' you chops.....

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