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USA Today Article on Carry Permit Increases
OnTheFly:
Back to the original topic...CCP applications are on the increase.
Armed and humorous: You ask what sense it makes for people to rush out to get their CHP when it only provides a list for the government. One benefit to this behavior is a result of what you argue to be a negative. That is a government maintained list. While the public does not see the names of the CHP holders, they can get the number of permits issued. The higher the number of permits per capita, the larger the perceived influence on the election outcomes. Said another way, there is safety in numbers. It is just another way to let the politicians know there is a high number of us who cherish our 2A rights.
Fly
Randy:
Fly, well put.
This year on LB145 a Unicameral Bill to prevent CCW on Universities the NRA went on record as Neutral while the NFOA went on record as an Opponent.
Please everyone be respectful of each other and choose your words and quotes carefully.
For the record the NFOA By-Laws:
ARTICLE II
Mission Statement / Purpose
"The mission of the Nebraska Firearms Owners Association is to provide a consistent and unified voice for Nebraska firearm owners.
"NFOA is organized for the purpose of voicing the opinion of its membership to the Nebraska Legislature and other law making bodies within the state as well as Federal level, as it pertains to firearms. NFOA members will also make it a priority to educate residents on firearms related issues.
armed and humorous:
There is something to your point, too, Fly. I agree, the more of us there are, the more influence we will have. My original comment on this topic stemmed from this quote in the article: They also say they fear gun control, he says. Last week, Boydston spoke with an elderly couple seeking a permit. "They are positive the president is on the verge of coming to our homes and taking our weapons," he says. That was the basis for my statement. If you were positive they were going to confiscate people's guns, you wouldn't want them to know you had one if you could help it.
Yes, there are other reasons for more people applying for CHP that do make sense. I didn't mean to say there were no good reasons, just that the quoted reason didn't make sense. I try to look at things from every angle, and sometimes I miss one or two. That is one of the advantages of forums and reading others comments. It gives you new perspectives. Also why I question and offer alternatives to some of your comments (not you personally, but the group). Sometimes I'm just playing the devil's advocate.
In that regard, there may be a couple of downsides to rushing out to get a CHP. First, there have been cases where the names of permit holders have been leaked. Second, as the general public recognizes the increase in our numbers, it could causes greater alarm among the antis triggering even more attacks on our 2A rights.
OnTheFly:
A & H,
I guess the dividing line between our points lies with what is meant by the statement
--- Quote ---"They are positive the president is on the verge of coming to our homes and taking our weapons,"
--- End quote ---
At face value it would mean that it is a done deal and the government is literally coming in the near future to take the guns. In this case, no, do not let the government know who you are. Or, from my perspective, we are getting dangerously close to this and immediate action is required to prevent it.
As far as numbers go. They can always be used to sway people in whatever direction desired. From our pro 2A vantage point, if we can make those who are sitting on the fence aware of the increase in CHPs issued without a correlated increase in crimes/violence, we may be able to win some of them over to our way of thinking. At the very least it will make them doubt the reasoning from the other side.
Fly
armed and humorous:
I would tend to agree that the more aware politicians are of our presence, the more influence we would have on them. I also agree that it is important to sway the fence sitters to our position. That is why I think it is wise to avoid extreme, give no ground, attitudes. It's not that I don't want totally uninfringed 2A rights, but more that I don't expect that will ever happen. There's not much point in holding out for something that is futile when we can perhaps gain some ground with a slightly more cooperative stance. I know, many of you in the NFOA are hardliners when it comes to compromise, and I'm not suggesting we give more ground, only that we don't appear to the rest of society like some kind of extremist cult, which would turn more people against us.
I watched a video someone here linked to recently. I'm not sure who was behind it, but it featured the Texas lady who lost her folks in a mass shooting at a restaurant. It was well done (the videok, not the shooting), but I think a bit unrealistic when it came to the aspect of total uninfringed 2A rights. Yes, the forefathers probably meant exactly what they said, "uninfringed". However, arms at that time were rather limited in their effectiveness, and one man with a gun was not a great threat to public safety when most everyone else had a similar gun. Now, with modern weapons, one man can create a real tradgedy in seconds, before anyone could stop him. We're not going to see private ownership of nuclear weapons, Apache helicopters equipped with miniguns, or M1A1 tanks no matter how much any of us might like to have them. There are going to be restrictions. Our job, as I see it, is to do the best we can to keep them "reasonable".
I hope that any member of NFOA who speaks to the public keeps in mind that he/she represents the group and does not make statements of personal opinion while claiming them as those of the NFOA without consent of the rest of the group. The official spokesperson for us is the president or his appointed boardmember(s), not rank and file members. Speak all you want, and any way you want as an idividual.
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