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Offline GreyGeek

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Ammo will no longer be made from America ore.
« on: November 01, 2013, 06:20:25 PM »
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/end-of-an-era-last-u-s-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december/

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In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close.  The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892.

After failing to pass the gun control laws that they wanted, the Democrats and Pres. Obama took a different tact: 
https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/executive-action-obama-to-ban-importation-of-ammo-magazines-and-gun-accessories-without-congressional-approval_04232013

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Now they’re taking another significant step against Americans’ right to bear arms – and they’re doing it through Presidential Executive Action, a strategy that, once again, bypasses Congressional oversight and the legislative process.

    …it appears that the BHO Administration is taking executive action on firearms importation. Take a few minutes to read this: After Senate setback, Obama quietly moving forward with gun regulation. Here is the key portion of the article:

        “The Importation of Defense Articles and Defense Services — U.S. Munitions Import List references executive orders, amends ATF regulations and clarifies Attorney General authority “to designate defense articles and defense services as part of the statutory USML for purposes of permanent import controls,” among other clauses specified in heavy legalese requiring commensurate analysis to identify just what the administration’s intentions are. Among the speculations of what this could enable are concerns that importing and International Traffic in Arms Regulations [ITAR] may go forward to reflect key elements within the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.”[Emphasis added.]

    Depending on how it is implemented, the implications of this change could be huge. With the stroke a of a pen and without the consent of Congress, ATF bureaucrats could make ANY gun part or accessory (including magazines) or ammunition that were originally manufactured or perhaps even those designed for military use no longer legal for importation for civilian use. That might mean no more milsurp parts sets. No more milsurp magazines. No more milsurp ammo. No more milsurp optics. Perhaps not even spare firing pins. This could be ugly.

    I strongly recommend that you stock up on magazines, ammunition and spare parts for any of your imported military pattern guns, as soon as possible! Once an import ban is implemented, prices will skyrocket.

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Re: Ammo will no longer be made from America ore.
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 08:18:49 AM »
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Second, this facility only smelts primary lead or lead ore.  This is lead ore that has just been brought out of the earth. Sierra uses no primary lead at all and never has, so we use nothing directly from this facility.  The lead we buy from Doe Run comes from their recycling facility in Boss, MO that is about 90 miles away from the smelter that is closing.

Recycling Lead is like gambling in Las Vegas.  100% recycling is impossible.   

When I was demonstrating a PC product there at the 1983 COMDEX show I noticed that the casinos were bragging about the "fact" that gamblers were getting back 94% of each dollar they bet.  $1 --> .94 --> .88 --> .83 --> repeat betting until --> 0.00, which is nothing back.  The casino gets it all in the end.   The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics  dictates that in the end mother nature gets all the Lead back.   IF we don't mine and smelt our OWN Lead ore to replace that lost by natural  inefficiencies we will be forced to depend on imports for Lead.    Obama has signed on to the UN Small Arms Control Treaty.  What are the odds that a Democrat controlled Congress will approve of that treaty and make it the law of the land?


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Re: Ammo will no longer be made from America ore.
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 10:54:45 AM »
(sigh) Lead ore is still being mined in the U.S. It's being trucked to Mexico for primary smelting, then it's coming back into the U.S. for manufacturing. This particular smelter mainly serviced the lead battery market. This is a NAFTA type arrangement, sending U.S. jobs to countrys that hate us, and whos people want to kill us.