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Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
camus:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on November 21, 2013, 05:03:00 PM ---Just wanted to let people know that the classifier will be 13-05, Tick Tock.
http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/13-05.pdf
Targets only 21 feet away, no prone, no crouching, no ports. Don't have to draw from the holster. Matter of fact, your load and reload comes from the table, so if it is cold out, you don't even have to take off your coat! :)
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Any idea on the HHF on this is?
JTH:
--- Quote from: camus on November 25, 2013, 08:44:53 PM ---Any idea on the HHF on this is?
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I could make a guess, but it wouldn't be based on results from anyone's actual national percentage from USPSA.
This was shot at Nationals last year, and the HHF for the match (in Production) was 8.9372. The average of the top 5 shooters was 7.9380.
HQ says:
--- Quote ---How do we calculate the high hit factors? These are determined by the scores submitted over time for each classifier, and are in fact an average of the highest scores submitted. They are always calculated for each division, so the HHF for Open will not be the same as the HHF for Production. This means you are competing against the highest scores - against the GMs the top dogs, the "best of the best" - in your division.
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(That was from Front Sight.)
The problem with this statement is that it is demonstrably false. :( There are numerous classifiers where this is simply absolutely not true.
AND, a problem with Tick Tock is that the stage from nationals was actually a little simpler, because the side targets weren't covered by the no-shoot at all. So I'll be REALLY curious to find out what the HHF is, myself.
abbafandr:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on November 21, 2013, 05:03:00 PM ---Just wanted to let people know that the classifier will be 13-05, Tick Tock.
http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/13-05.pdf
Targets only 21 feet away, no prone, no crouching, no ports. Don't have to draw from the holster. Matter of fact, your load and reload comes from the table, so if it is cold out, you don't even have to take off your coat! :)
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No crouching or ports, shucks, won't know what to! :laugh:
camus:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on November 26, 2013, 06:46:31 AM ---This was shot at Nationals last year, and the HHF for the match (in Production) was 8.9372. The average of the top 5 shooters was 7.9380.
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So that would put it just under 9 to just above 10 seconds assuming all A's?
I will be bringing all A's in under 12. ;D
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on November 26, 2013, 06:46:31 AM ---The problem with this statement is that it is demonstrably false. :( There are numerous classifiers where this is simply absolutely not true.
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I was wondering about this, I thought they were constantly evolving based on the best it has ever been shot.
JTH:
--- Quote from: camus on November 26, 2013, 08:12:26 PM ---So that would put it just under 9 to just above 10 seconds assuming all A's?
I will be bringing all A's in under 12. ;D
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When I shot it at Nats, I shot it in 11.04. With 6 C-hits. :( That got me 25th.
...but it was easier to shoot, since the side targets were wide open, not partially covered by the no-shoot as will happen in this classifier. We'll see how it goes this time...
--- Quote ---I was wondering about this, I thought they were constantly evolving based on the best it has ever been shot.
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That is what we are told, as least in terms of it being an average of the best it has ever been shot over time. And yet, "Can You Count" has the exact same hit factor for all divisions except for revolver, AND it is the same hit factor that Max Michel shot in an area match in Open division.
Other examples abound, many of which have NOT been adjusted ever. Matter of fact, an entire set (almost all of the 99 series) of HHF for one particular division is exactly 5% higher than another division's HHFs---so it certainly wasn't based on any "best runs" in that first division.
So yeah, what they say is unfortunately, NOT currently what they do. It is rather a large argument on the BrianEnos forums at the moment, and it'll be interesting (what with our new Executive Director and all) to see what happens.
Doesn't make USPSA any less fun---but it IS true that sometimes you get a classifier where you feel like you've had a great run, and your national percentage is woefully low.
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