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Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« on: November 20, 2013, 06:27:14 PM »
Matter of fact, it is the last action shooting match of the year at ENGC, period.

One last USPSA match, on December 1st---5 stages, one of which will be a classifier from the new set of 2013 classifiers that just came out. 

Registration and setup starts at 7:15am like normal, registration closes at 8:40, safety briefing (and new shooter meeting) at 8:40, with the shooter's meeting at 9am. 

Don't miss out on the last match of the year!
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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 07:24:37 PM »
Might be a bit nippy :o 

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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 08:37:10 PM »
Might be a bit nippy :o 

What's your point?

SHOOTING!  :)
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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 08:45:31 PM »
Happiness is a warm Glock :laugh:

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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 05:03:00 PM »
Just wanted to let people know that the classifier will be 13-05, Tick Tock.

http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/13-05.pdf

Targets only 21 feet away, no prone, no crouching, no ports.  Don't have to draw from the holster.  Matter of fact, your load and reload comes from the table, so if it is cold out, you don't even have to take off your coat!  :) 
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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 08:44:53 PM »
Just wanted to let people know that the classifier will be 13-05, Tick Tock.

http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/13-05.pdf

Targets only 21 feet away, no prone, no crouching, no ports.  Don't have to draw from the holster.  Matter of fact, your load and reload comes from the table, so if it is cold out, you don't even have to take off your coat!  :) 


Any idea on the HHF on this is?

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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 06:46:31 AM »
Any idea on the HHF on this is?

I could make a guess, but it wouldn't be based on results from anyone's actual national percentage from USPSA.

This was shot at Nationals last year, and the HHF for the match (in Production) was 8.9372.  The average of the top 5 shooters was 7.9380.   

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How do we calculate the high hit factors?  These are determined by the scores submitted over time for each classifier, and are in fact an average of the highest scores submitted.  They are always calculated for each division, so the HHF for Open will not be the same as the HHF for Production.  This means you are competing against the highest scores - against the GMs the top dogs, the "best of the best" - in your division.
  (That was from Front Sight.)

The problem with this statement is that it is demonstrably false.  :(  There are numerous classifiers where this is simply absolutely not true.

AND, a problem with Tick Tock is that the stage from nationals was actually a little simpler, because the side targets weren't covered by the no-shoot at all. So I'll be REALLY curious to find out what the HHF is, myself.

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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 07:30:04 PM »
Just wanted to let people know that the classifier will be 13-05, Tick Tock.

http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/13-05.pdf

Targets only 21 feet away, no prone, no crouching, no ports.  Don't have to draw from the holster.  Matter of fact, your load and reload comes from the table, so if it is cold out, you don't even have to take off your coat!  :) 

No crouching or ports, shucks, won't know what to! :laugh:

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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 08:12:26 PM »
This was shot at Nationals last year, and the HHF for the match (in Production) was 8.9372.  The average of the top 5 shooters was 7.9380.   

So that would put it just under 9 to just above 10 seconds assuming all A's?

I will be bringing all A's in under 12.  ;D

The problem with this statement is that it is demonstrably false.  :(  There are numerous classifiers where this is simply absolutely not true.




I was wondering about this, I thought they were constantly evolving based on the best it has ever been shot. 




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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 09:57:40 PM »
So that would put it just under 9 to just above 10 seconds assuming all A's?

I will be bringing all A's in under 12.  ;D

When I shot it at Nats, I shot it in 11.04.  With 6 C-hits.  :(  That got me 25th. 

...but it was easier to shoot, since the side targets were wide open, not partially covered by the no-shoot as will happen in this classifier.  We'll see how it goes this time...

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I was wondering about this, I thought they were constantly evolving based on the best it has ever been shot. 

That is what we are told, as least in terms of it being an average of the best it has ever been shot over time.  And yet, "Can You Count" has the exact same hit factor for all divisions except for revolver, AND it is the same hit factor that Max Michel shot in an area match in Open division.

Other examples abound, many of which have NOT been adjusted ever.  Matter of fact, an entire set (almost all of the 99 series) of HHF for one particular division is exactly 5% higher than another division's HHFs---so it certainly wasn't based on any "best runs" in that first division. 

So yeah, what they say is unfortunately, NOT currently what they do.  It is rather a large argument on the BrianEnos forums at the moment, and it'll be interesting (what with our new Executive Director and all) to see what happens.

Doesn't make USPSA any less fun---but it IS true that sometimes you get a classifier where you feel like you've had a great run, and your national percentage is woefully low.
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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2013, 12:02:32 AM »
You have one last day tomorrow to work off some of the turkey and dressing that'll slow you down for the match on Sunday!   :)

It was actually pretty nice at the range today (helped teach a kid how to shoot a shotgun safely) ---and Sunday is supposed to be similar.  So get your gear together, and we'll see you at the last ENPS match of the year.
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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
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Re: Last USPSA match of 2013 at ENGC----Dec 1st
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2013, 07:32:39 PM »
Wish I could have made it, today was beautiful.  But, I figured I should spend the day with the family.  I still accomplished all my goals for the day, though:  I assembled a stripped upper receiver and took a nap.