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JTH:

--- Quote from: David Hineline on January 06, 2014, 06:39:14 AM ---Guns can be available to staff just like fire extinguishers they don't have to be carried, just a locker next to each fire extinguisher with a fingerprint scanner to open with a pump shotgun inside.  One how to use fire extinguisher training day they can add 10 minutes on how to use a pump shotgun. Very little expense.

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--- Quote from: NE Bull on January 06, 2014, 08:08:11 AM ---I kinda like that idea.

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Mm.  I really don't....

Couple of things come to mind: 

1) In a school shooting event, the people it will most immediately affect would not have time to go get a gun. 
2) Plus, we know how well fingerprint scanners work for people under pressure....
3) Using a firearm that we know is less likely to be precise in targeting doesn't sound like a good idea.
4) Process this visual for a moment:  "we are proposing to put shotguns in lockboxes next to the fire extinguishers throughout the school" and watch the gun control folk's brains just EXPLODE.  (Okay, that's not necessarily a bad thing.)
5) I'm sorry, did someone just say that 10 minutes of training with a pump shotgun is sufficient?  Really?


Here's the thing:

We know that in active shooter situations, we need a defender with a gun immediately not only on scene, but immediately in the shooter's area.  We need a person with a gun right there, but in such a way that they aren't the first immediate target when the shooter first starts.  (Because with the element of surprise, chances are the first indicator of a problem will be the criminal's first shots.)

Thousands of people CCW in Nebraska every day, without incident.  And yet, mention a teacher carrying CCW in a classroom, and people suddenly think that all those CCWers are just hiding the fact that they take out the firearm and do gunfighter spins to impress people.  Or have shot themselves repeatedly in their ineptitude, and just covered it up.  Or drop their firearms all the time, and no one around them has noticed yet.

Right.

And extra training?  Ok, sure---but why is this necessary, other than to make people feel better?  Or do they really think that an 8-hour class one time is going to make that much of a difference?  Or maybe we should add a yearly qualification---it has worked so well for law enforcement, I'm sure that'll make all the difference.

Let's see:
1) teacher CCWing in the classroom, lots of extra training
2) teacher CCWing in the classroom, nothing extra in requirements,
3) teacher unarmed.

I realize that people think 1 is obviously the best, assuming A) it was actually good, realistic training, and B) that the teacher keeps practicing (and good luck with those if it was state-mandated), but why in the world do people seem to think that 2 is like 3, or that 2 is worse than 3? 

Let's see----CCWers in normal life have less trouble with target identification and accuracy than police officers do.  So let's put the CCWer in their own classroom that they spend 8 hours a day in, with a set of kids that they see everyday---I'm thinking we'll have even LESS problem with target identification, don't you?

Person comes into a school, and starts shooting.  I'm pretty sure that the teacher can figure out who the bad guy is---he's the guy who just stepped into their classroom and is SHOOTING THEIR KIDS.

Sure, we can try to run and hide, and count all the bodies afterward.  Or we can shoot back, because the normal CCWer can be trusted to do exactly that without extra training.  Because this is what we ALREADY do.

The only difference is that in school, it is EASIER to determine if it is a necessary and righteous act.

bullit:
Fund raiser idea for NFOA... live Pay Per View of jthapkido debating Chambers, Ashford, et al.

RLMoeller:

--- Quote from: bullit on January 06, 2014, 02:12:50 PM ---Fund raiser idea for NFOA... live Pay Per View of jthapkido debating Chambers, Ashford, et al.

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;D   oh yeah!

Lorimor:

--- Quote from: bullit on January 06, 2014, 02:12:50 PM ---Fund raiser idea for NFOA... live Pay Per View of jthapkido debating Chambers, Ashford, et al.

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Rather it be an MMA style "debate."  :)  Joking of course.  (But it would sell)

NE Bull:
OK, I'll retract my statement, I liked the basis of the idea.  Maybe not so much as real life, but it would make a great photo.  Shotgun/ rifle mounted next to fire extinguisher behind glass that says "In Emergency- Break Glass" (with a storm shelter/ fallout shelter sign beside that for good measure)
and sub titled- "This school is prepared to do all they can to safeguard your children.


--- Quote from: bullit on January 06, 2014, 02:12:50 PM ---Fund raiser idea for NFOA... live Pay Per View of jthapkido debating Chambers, Ashford, et al.

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I would love to see a steady flow of a diverse group of people come to a hearing  absolutely prepared to just decimate everything and anything that group could bring up.  Chambers would rattle on about the same point all day, Ashford would keep trying to cut people off and "Move Along", McGill would curl up in the corner under her blanky and cry herself to sleep, Lathrop would probably end up slithering his way out the door,  and Christensen would be ROFLAO! 

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