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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2014, 06:35:39 PM »
Now those are killer bullets!  The new Black Talons.  :P

I'm interested to see what they cost...

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2014, 06:47:17 PM »
Gimmick.

I'll give them credit for an extremely effective marketing campaign, though.  I've been seeing these things everywhere.  They even have the anti's panties in a wad.

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 07:58:38 PM »
Amazingly stupid bullet design, with a remarkable marketing campaign to appeal to tactical timmies who don't understand what happens in court.

That's IMO, and I may not have any idea what I'm talking about.
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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 09:10:55 PM »
Well, there goes the Feed Ramp on my Kahr PM9!!!!

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 09:34:59 PM »
Well, there goes the Feed Ramp on my Kahr PM9!!!!

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 09:59:04 PM »
Amazingly stupid bullet design, with a remarkable marketing campaign to appeal to tactical timmies who don't understand what happens in court.

That's IMO, and I may not have any idea what I'm talking about.

What happens in court?  I mean, I can guess it's something along the lines of bullet type equating to pre-meditated intent to cause grievous injury, I've just never had anyone explain it so that it makes sense.   I had heard the Talons were banned for being "too lethal" but you're in fear for your life when you pull trigger, not slapping sense into someone acting out hysterically.  How can you say something is "too lethal"?  Sounds like "sorta pregnant"
 

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 10:06:06 PM »
I'm old-school and find "LSWCHP-GC" much cooler than "RIP".
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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2014, 10:22:33 PM »
What would your thumb look like after loading a magazine or two of those.
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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 10:52:30 PM »
What would your thumb look like after loading a magazine or two of those.

You just may need welder gloves for this bullet.

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2014, 12:54:14 AM »
Now those are killer bullets!  The new Black Talons.  :P

I'm interested to see what they cost...
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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2014, 06:35:09 AM »
Isn't that something just like the bullet designed by Jim Cirillo?  Back in early 2000 they were also known as pin grabbers.

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2014, 07:33:40 AM »
Isn't that something just like the bullet designed by Jim Cirillo?  Back in early 2000 they were also known as pin grabbers.

Pin shooting is one of the few things I could see this being good at.  Not exactly cost effective, though.

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2014, 10:53:28 AM »
Supposedly they won't go through the vests that Police wear.   But, in watching the video of them in action it looks somewhat similar to being hit by six pellets and a slug from a small shotgun.  I wouldn't want to be hit by one  of those.  I'd imagine they'd give ER physicians a hard time cleaning up the damage before the patient expired.

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2014, 11:08:24 AM »
my cousin posted this on facebook last week, I commented that you better keep polishing your feed ramp because I don't see how those points are going to want to cycle

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2014, 12:02:53 PM »
It looks to me like once it hits your feed ramp it would smash a couple of those talons or whatever you want to call them. 
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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2014, 12:17:00 PM »
Supposedly they won't go through the vests that Police wear.   But, in watching the video of them in action it looks somewhat similar to being hit by six pellets and a slug from a small shotgun.  I wouldn't want to be hit by one  of those.  I'd imagine they'd give ER physicians a hard time cleaning up the damage before the patient expired.

Problem is, this works like a frangible round (which is what it is, I guess).  It's only 96 grains to start with, and the petals shear off when it impacts the target.  You want a bullet to retain mass while penetrating, not shed it within the first couple of inches.  You're left with only a tiny little chunk of metal that continues to penetrate.  That will cause an ugly, shallow wound, kind of like shooting someone with birdshot (hopefully no one wants to start the whole "birdshot is the best for self defense" argument). 

Basically, this bullet combines the worst aspects of FMJ and Frangible ammunition.  Most of it fragments on impact, while the rest just icepicks on through.
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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2014, 12:50:15 PM »
bkoening: yea, but in slowmo it really kills the heck out of waterballons.... so it has that

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2014, 01:02:04 PM »
bkoening: yea, but in slowmo it really kills the heck out of waterballons.... so it has that

I'm sure I'll be wishing I had this stuff the next time I'm attacked by a water balloon.  :D

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Re: R.I.P 9mm bullet
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2014, 01:15:45 PM »
In another promotional video, they show a lot of full auto shooting into ballistic gel.  What the hell does that prove?

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