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monkeyboy:
Frankly,any safe can be gotten into given enough time.I think layers of security need to be used,monitored security systems,motion lights outside,notifying trusted neighbors when your gone for an extended period of time,etc.Nothing is 100% but the more layers you have,the better your chances. FWIW--Mike.
Phantom:
--- Quote from: skydve76 on March 20, 2016, 12:22:26 PM ---$150 is not enough, my question though is the $850 safe really much better ($700 better)? Both can be broken into.
My daughter hangs with the rougher crowds. My goal is to keep a couple teenage boys who may have a few hours in my house away from my valuables.
A $150 cabinet can be broken into with a couple large screwdrivers but is a $850 safe going to keep them out?
They aren't going to be able to steal It very easily that's for sure.
--- End quote ---
What You have to realize first here .....is a Lock will only keep an "honest person" honest. :o
That being said .....if they want in they Will get in (Period). :(
All you can do is to make it harder for them to do so.
And too also slow them down as much as possible while doing it.
So you have to look at the $800 Vs. the $150 with those items above in mind.
Also remember that $150 cabinet is most likely light enough one person could pick it up
and carry it quickly away (even if it's full loaded) the $800 one....not so much.
Most thief's will avoid the $800 safe but would quickly and readily attack the $150 cabinet .
The reason being...that one takes longer then the other to open and it isn't worth their time (unless they can quickly remove it and take it some where else so they can take their time to open it).
( Or you were Stupid enough to leave the Key or Code to said Safe where it can be readily found).
And most will tell you that TIME is not their friend
Good luck with what ever you decide.
By the way ...I own one of the $800 dollar ones my self. ;D
depserv:
I remember years ago seeing an ad in Shotgun News for a boobytrap tear gas device that would fill an area with tear gas when a tripline was activated. It could be rigged up to a door, drawer, window, etc., as well as an actual tripline. I don't know if such a thing is still available but it should be easy to rig one up with a can of pepper spray and a weight that can set down on the button when a trigger is activated. The Black Book of Boobytraps from Delta Press has a lot of information on rigging and triggering that can be adapted to tear gas or pepper spray.
That kind of thing could have a deterrent effect, and be another level of safety between your guns and a thief, in addition to whatever else you use. I'd use the pepper spray that includes identifying dye. Boobytraps are generally illegal but I'm not sure about one that activates tear gas. Might set you up for a lawsuit I suppose. I'd check with a lawyer before setting one, and he'll probably tell you not to do it.
The same kind of thing can be done with something that makes noise, flashing lights, or anything that might run a thief off.
RLMoeller:
--- Quote from: depserv on March 20, 2016, 04:13:31 PM ---I remember years ago seeing an ad in Shotgun News for a boobytrap tear gas device that would fill an area with tear gas when a tripline was activated. It could be rigged up to a door, drawer, window, etc., as well as an actual tripline. I don't know if such a thing is still available but it should be easy to rig one up with a can of pepper spray and a weight that can set down on the button when a trigger is activated. The Black Book of Boobytraps from Delta Press has a lot of information on rigging and triggering that can be adapted to tear gas or pepper spray.
--- End quote ---
Current, similar product....
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Lmbass14:
Wrote this several years ago when I was looking at safes. A K-12 saw will eat through anything though.
Did a lot of research on safes. The following are my findings:
- Don't buys safes from Mexico or foreign countries. Liberty, Canon and Fort Knox (there may be more but these are the ones I'm most familiar with) are made in U.S.A.
- Fire rating should be longer than how fast the fire dept. can respond to your house + 30 min. just in case they are on another call. And at least 95,000 btu's. The bottom line is to make sure that the interior of the safe stays as cool as possible.
- Locking bolts should be at least 1 1/8 in dia. on all four sides. Some expensive safes have locking bolts on the corners also since that is the weakest part of a safe.
- Hinges should be on the outside (door open wider), a common statement is than the BG's can cut the hinges. Don't think so. First off, the BG time is limited so they need to bring a portable torch or saws all and 2nd the longer throw of bolts and pry guards on the safe will make the BG life harder.
- Should have interior lighting and humidity control.
- Guns procreate so get a safe 1 and 1/2 times of your long guns.
- The safe should be bolted down (either floor or wall). That way the bad guys can't tip it over for easier access or remove it from the home. Not in the garage. In the basement out of view.
- The better safes have 11 gauge sheet metal or thicker ( lower number is thicker)
- Electronic vs Dial - mixed emotions on that one, but get the brand should be Sargent and Greenleaf (they make the best locks).
- Place a "Black Powder Inside" label on the safe even though you don't have any. The BG don't know either.
- Buy the best safe you can afford.
- Have them deliver and install the safe. Might cost a couple hundred more, but to me it's worth it. That way I don't have to visit the back cracker. Not curbside. Good safes weigh 800 lbs +, plus they do that for a living.
Can't think of anything else worth noting.
Bernie
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