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Declaration when not carrying
unfy:
--- Quote from: DaveB on February 20, 2014, 11:41:08 AM ---Are any officers going to believe you? Once they see you have a permit, they are going to question you anyway.
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Every officer I've talked to (a dozen or so) have all said same thing: concealed carry folks aren't "the problem" and that they generally trust them because they went through the legal hoops to get their permit.
--- Quote from: Mntnman on February 20, 2014, 11:01:40 AM ---The practible part of me agrees to get it out there and avoid possible uncomfortable situations, although the wrong officer could be set off by declaring. That would be rare, I believe, but I am aware of it happening.
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Given that you know they are going to discover you have a permit at any rate, it seems to make sense to help diffuse a possible nervous situation that might happen soon - before it occurs.
I know plenty of folks don't trust the police, or have negative views of them. I have strong suggestions for police brutality - and am wholly against the militarization of the police. But, for me: the police start out with a bit of respect and have to earn more / lose said respect themselves on a personal basis. You're also in a situation that needs to get resolved (either by disagreeing with the officer or getting your citation/warning) - a bit of respect in both directions goes a long way. At the very least, they can make your life very uncomfortable for a few hours if you decide to be an ass to them, so showing some respect can go a long way.
I've had one officer attempt to keep control of a given situation via talking constantly which made my initial declaration requirement a bit rude (having to forcibly interrupt him heh)... but I've not yet had a bad experience concerning carrying / officers.
I know of a singular video or story of folks of similar above situation where the officer went ballistic after not letting someone declare (in a state requiring it), but I don't believe any have happened here in NE. That officer was also punished, for what it's worth.
--- Quote from: Mntnman on February 20, 2014, 11:01:40 AM ---I'm going to watch this discussion with interest. I have been of the mindset not to declare if not carrying. If a glock is pulled on me because officer sees I have a carry permit and I didn't declare, that is an experience to be used to rectify the bs duty to inform part of the law and indicate a possible issue with said officer's ability to do their job effectively and safely.
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What combination of things could occur that would cause an officer to draw on you for not declaring ? Being in a bad part of town, giving the officer attitude, how you were driving in the first place, maybe the officer got swung on by the guy before you, some instinct fires up ? Surly it would probably be astronomically impossible for the 'gun drawn' situation to occur... but ...
You'd really like to use something as innocuous as a 3AM traffic stop to put yourself in a situation where your life might be in danger as a protest against a law you disagree with ?
There are better ways to do so. An easy one off the top of my head: go dig up statistics of states with or without the declaration requirement and how it affects officer safety.
unfy:
Most recent post seemed aggressive. That was my intent. Apologies if stepped on any toes.
Mntnman:
I, of course, would react according to the officer's attitude and see that nothing escalates the stop. I am not one that is going to be in a car at 3 am, gun or not, either. I don't think an officer would pull a gun on someone just for seeing they have a permit.
I did have a DOT ask me one time if I was carrying (before permit). I said "No, why?" ??? He had seen my purchase permit in my wallet. I have yet to be pulled over since getting my permit and am still wondering how to handle it, this is a good thought provoker. I drive for a living but company policy dictates no weapons, even though my bosses are pro-carry.
Do any of you have a gold star on your license? If you haven't heard about it, I encourage you to look into it.
Poor Man:
Mntnman --- Please elaborate on the "gold star" mentioned in your post.
UPCrawfish:
You can google 'gold star drivers license'. Has to do with federal legislation mandating additional personal data be included imbedded in the card.
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