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Declaration when not carrying
DaveB:
--- Quote from: Bucket on March 02, 2014, 11:13:24 AM ---I wouldn't argue with you, but I'm not looking to be a test case, martyr, or role model. If I get pulled over and I'm not carrying, it costs me nothing to tell him right up front and diffuse a situation and maybe create some sort of connection with the cop (as most of them are gun owners themselves). I wouldn't call it an essential point of liberty since he has access to my permit records and would be fully within his authority to pull me out of the car and pat me down for his own safety.
Until there is more general acceptance and clear limits on police conduct with regard to citizens gun rights, I'm taking the path that's going to get me back on the road soonest without pissing off the cop who pulled me over.
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So, you would tell him you drink alcohol and smoke pot too, but don't have any in the car right now? The police are known to instill fear on people in order to get easy convictions. While it doesn't happen out here where I am, there are countless videos on Youtube of it. Fear is their greatest asset, even when it isn't necessary.
I also don't argue with them, they know as soon as they look at you if you are getting a ticket or not. I'll just take the ticket and be on my way.
Bucket:
--- Quote from: DaveB on March 02, 2014, 12:34:01 PM ---So, you would tell him you drink alcohol and smoke pot too, but don't have any in the car right now? The police are known to instill fear on people in order to get easy convictions. While it doesn't happen out here where I am, there are countless videos on Youtube of it. Fear is their greatest asset, even when it isn't necessary.
I also don't argue with them, they know as soon as they look at you if you are getting a ticket or not. I'll just take the ticket and be on my way.
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I don't smoke pot and don't drink and drive. Both are illegal, so I probably would be reluctant to 'fess up to that sort of behavior in the presence of law enforcement.
I've never been pulled over while carrying, but have twice been with a buddy who was pulled over while carrying. Once in Bellevue and once in LaVista. Both times we drove away after after a warning and a brief discussion on handguns. I've managed to talk my way out of a few tickets myself. I find establishing a rapport, being respectful, and making the cops job easier tends to smooth the transaction.
Is that giving up some sort of liberty? I don't really think it is, it's just managing the situation on a personal level.
unfy:
Didn't expect this to be such a thorny thread. Oops.
Can someone with some history go about saying who requested the 'declare while carrying' clause ? It might help this discussion. I know that this was all a long time ago, but it really might help this thread a bit.
There are a lot of bad stories seen on the news of police acting quite badly and some police policy / militarization that is definitely cause for concern.
Most of those stories come out of LA or NY (or personal stories I've heard from Chicago).
But I have yet to meet an officer that gave me pause here in Nebraska.
Until such time as I see otherwise: officers will be greeted with a smile, a hand shake, and be called sir... as well as afforded all the other politeness and pleasantries any other human deserves.
And for those wondering, not declaring while not carrying becomes a liberty discussion as it relates to privacy and stuff. There is a lot of 4A stuff relating to 'papers please' if no one's considered it :D
DaveB:
--- Quote from: Bucket on March 02, 2014, 11:13:24 AM ---I wouldn't argue with you, but I'm not looking to be a test case, martyr, or role model. If I get pulled over and I'm not carrying, it costs me nothing to tell him right up front and diffuse a situation and maybe create some sort of connection with the cop (as most of them are gun owners themselves). I wouldn't call it an essential point of liberty since he has access to my permit records and would be fully within his authority to pull me out of the car and pat me down for his own safety.
Until there is more general acceptance and clear limits on police conduct with regard to citizens gun rights, I'm taking the path that's going to get me back on the road soonest without pissing off the cop who pulled me over.
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Now you are getting what I am saying. I have a beer or two at home, it is legal. I have a gun at home, it is legal also. Since I don't drink or drive, and sometimes leave the house without a gun, I don't go blabbing to anyone that I drink and shoot, but don't have any of it with me. Both are legal, neither are required to be told to an officer, unless he asks of course. If I were asked about either one, I would tell the officer that I don't have either in the car.
HuskerXDM:
I enjoyed reading that series. In fact I should go back and reread it...
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on March 01, 2014, 02:47:53 PM ---One of the problems is that there are WAY TOO MANY LAWS in this country.
http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/29326904495/16-a-problems
It has happened before in other countries. Here are some solutions:
http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/29327306986/16-b-solutions
Those are introductory cartoons. The rest are on the website.
Or, buy the book. It is a great read:
http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Guide-Criminal-Law/dp/1598391836/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1348005559&sr=1-1
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