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Declaration when not carrying
Ronvandyn:
--- Quote from: Dan W on February 24, 2014, 08:13:54 PM ---
Ben Franklin thinks a bit differently
Call it testosterone induced bravado if you want, but I will not be declaring unless I am armed, because I am just not willing to give up any more liberty than I am forced to
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The comment was in reference to firearms and safety, not politics. In my book advisements are not a political issue but a safety issue. The day the state does away with that requirement then I also will not advise, at least until I feel my safety may be in jeopardy.
I realize that what I do for a living irritates some around here, but I don’t work for the NFOA so I would rather be treated like other members who have more conventional jobs. I don’t bring my work into this forum, please don’t do it for me.
Dan W:
My comments have nothing to do with your job, but rather your statement
--- Quote ---Safety first, last, and always. Anything else is a testosterone high.
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I think it was a rather pointed political jab, and and so was my response.
Tim McBride:
As a Sheriff's Deputy I guess I really don't care one way or the other, because the stop will be conducted the same way either way. My usual response to "I have a Gun on me" is "Well don't shoot me" or "Keep yours holstered and so will I", in a light joking manner. I was a CCW holder long before I became a LEO, I know it can be nervous for the CCW holder at times.
Telling me "I don't have a gun on me", would, if anything, probably make me take notice of you as I'd just find it an odd statement to make.
As to the declaration portion of the law, I think it is a pointless piece of legislative.(Then again I wish we had Constitutional Carry)
Then again, I am in rural Western Nebraska, I am sure things go quite different in the Metro areas.
Ronvandyn:
--- Quote from: Dan W on March 11, 2014, 07:46:10 PM ---My comments have nothing to do with your job, but rather your statement
I think it was a rather pointed political jab, and and so was my response.
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Obviously we think differently. I consider my safety when running into a police officer as paramount, and I am in no physical shape to jump out of the car or to take on a cop. No wish to either, in a previous incarnation I was one. The relative safety (or lack thereof) of a normal traffic stop is one of the reasons I am no longer one. I have kids, lots of them, and they would have a very hard life without me in the picture. What I do now is far safer, and keeps me on the very outer edge of the LEO circle. It’s comfortable here.
The "testosterone" bit was about the "macho" thing one sees so often now days in social media (of which the NFOA is certainly a part, we have all seen them here). The “Anonymity” of the internet allows people to bluster and put on a show simply because they CAN be anonymous, hence the testosterone injection from such activity. One can refuse to think about safety on social media and bluster all day every day, but the reality is that when we have a firearm on us safety is our first concern. Ben Franklin didn’t have an armed police force to deal with, to be concerned about. In fact he didn’t even like the idea of a standing army, as concerned many of our founding fathers. The local constable, if armed, carried the very same weapons Ben had in his closet at home or in his hand.
Bucket got the point, managing the interaction for the safety and benefit of all. The officer can manage it, sure, but then again so can we as citizens. Cops are my friends, and I respect them and the job they do. The job has changed a great deal since I did it, the criminals are more coarse, more ruthless, more apt to shoot and without care of who is harmed by their actions. My father was a cop, he never wore a vest in his entire career. Times were gentler then, fewer armed criminals and more general respect in our communities. Now days cops without a vest are rare, and in my opinion are not real bright.
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: Tim McBride on March 11, 2014, 09:11:39 PM ---As a Sheriff's Deputy I guess I really don't care one way or the other, because the stop will be conducted the same way either way......
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You seem to be a reasonable fellow but YoutTube is filled with video evidence of a LOT of LEOs who are not. If you don't mind my asking, ... I am assuming that, with a CHP, if I get stopped the LEO will already have gotten my info from my license plate number and already knows that I have a CHP. Is that true for all LEOs in the state or just those in large cities?
IF I am NOT carrying at the moment and do not say so, isn't he right in assuming that I AM carrying and that I violated the law by not announcing that? To me, this seems like a gray area that can be exploited by over zealous LEOs and prosecuting attorneys. So, despite you concern about someone annoucing that they are not carrying, if I am ever stopped the first words out of my mouth will be "As you many know, I have a CHP, and/but I want you to know that I am/not carrying."
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