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Bar/gun range?
Gary:
Most people tend to row whatever boat they are in. I have no fondness for feeling drunk, at any level. Don't care for the taste, don't care for the buzz. Sober is my preference.
Now, if that has colored my attitude about mixing guns and drinking in public places, I guess I am the odd ball.
Seems to me I recall something about having a concealed Carry permit, and the holder of that permit being in violation of the law at .0001 level of alcohol in their system, if they CC. I guess the State thinks like I do, on that subject, in the case of CC.
There are standards, there are exceptions, and there are :o ideas. The challenge in life, is figuring out what fits what circumstance.
OK, what goes well with a bar atmosphere?
Pizza, Keno, ESPN, maybe a floor show. I just don't see any wisdom of mixing gun powder, under the same business roof as spirits.
Taking it one step further, I bet lots of people would shun any gun range, with a alcohol license. I know I would not set foot in one.
In college, I was a theology major, majoring in destructive cults. One thing we learned, is it can be OK, to go into a bar, looking for a lost sheep. However, it is not OK, to drink in the bar, even drink water. Why water? Because the act of drinking in a bar, even water, leaves an impression in the minds of others. The wrong impression. As a range owner, what impression do you want to make on people seeing your business?
I own a range, indoor range, private, at my home. I do CC classes there. Do I offer my students a cold beer after they pass their CC class? H*ll no!
I think a hunting bar would be great. Mounts on the wall, bass fishing videos on the TV's, canoes hanging from the ceiling. Guns bolted to the wall. (Cut in half, long ways, so you can display the same gun twice, and it cannot be stolen, and fired) but drinking at a gun range?
Really?
1999, State Patrol. Classes. Several officers, adjourn, and go to lunch. No drinking, only coffee, pop, and fast food. After lunch, one trooper, just one, messes up, and a live round remained in his pistol, when the class resumed after lunch. Just one simple error, and Nebraska lost a trooper, a wife lost her partner, and children, lost their dad.
Range in question, sweeps customers now, showing guns, and we want them, to add a liquor license?
Sure, why not.
We have a Kenyon in the White House. We have Hillary selling arms through diplomats, and leaving them to be killed, to destroy the evidence.
We have our Military Industrial Complex killing Presidents, staging false flags, starting unjust wars, and on and on and on. In the big picture, go ahead. All standards seems to be out the window.
Maybe after this post, maybe I should join the NRA wine club? lol
https://www.nrawineclub.com/em0113a/?src=nraem0113a
Does this send the wrong message?
Gary:
--- Quote from: feralcatkillr on April 23, 2014, 11:02:25 PM ---Ha. You reminded me of one of the best Onion articles ever. http://www.theonion.com/articles/bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-reaches-trade-a,537/
--- End quote ---
Is that a real story? Or a joke? That article turned me into a mouth breather.
Gary:
Time for a story.
Years ago, in Beatrice, I was locking up my shop on Court street, in the alley, late at night.
Across the alley, a very loud drunk, was ran out of a bar for fighting. In his hands were car keys, and he was trying to figure out how to open his locked car door.
I walked up to this guy, and told him I would help unlock his door. The guy looked grateful, and handed me his keys. I tossed them on the roof of the bar, and waited to be pummeled. This guy started to go back into fight mode, but my 6'7" frame, might have sobered him up just a tad.
A few days go by, and I get a letter from the Beatrice Chief Of Police. It was an accommodation letter from the department, for not allowing this guy to get into his car.
Twenty other people were willing to let this guy drive off, including the bar owner.
In this case, we have range owners that want to include liquor licenses, to attract customers, while I give gun safety classes away, do two CC classes every week, to keep class size small, and charge lower fees than anyone.
Should I give up trying so hard, or maybe offer to give a bag of K2 to every CC graduate?
Wildgoose:
Alcohol is available everywhere. Quick shops, grocery stores and drug stores. Places CCW holders and folks on the way to the range to shoot may stop at on any given day. They arrive at the range and there is a bar in the same facility. Suddenly the presence of alcohol robs them of all caution and judgment. They drink and shoot, carry concealed with disastrous results. Really? Responsible gun owners and shooters of all kinds are trusted everyday to be sober and safe when involved with firearms. If just the availability of intoxicants is the standard for revoking the right to keep and bear arms then we should all be disarmed. We have to be careful about how we view the regulation of our rights based on what someone might do or how the most careless or ignorant among us might act.
OnTheFly:
THIS! ^^^
Fly
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