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Chris C:
Add ENGC to the list of allowing alcohol on the premise. 

mercaptan:
 I think Gary is against it.

ILoveCats:

--- Quote from: Wildgoose on April 24, 2014, 06:35:52 AM ---Alcohol is available everywhere. Quick shops, grocery stores and drug stores. Places CCW holders and folks on the way to the range to shoot may stop at on any given day. They arrive at the range and there is a bar in the same facility. Suddenly the presence of alcohol robs them of all caution and judgment. They drink and shoot, carry concealed with disastrous results. Really? Responsible gun owners and shooters of all kinds are trusted everyday to be sober and safe when involved with firearms. If just the availability of intoxicants is the standard for revoking the right to keep and bear arms then we should all be disarmed. We have to be careful about how we view the regulation of our rights based on what someone might do or how the most careless or ignorant among us might act.     

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That's a good post. There's a curious cultural issue here too. Having moved to Nebraska it's interesting being in one of those parts of the world where many people still have the opinion that a person is either a teetotaler or a drunkard and there's no in-between. Or that if a person is drinking, he is drunk... Again no middle ground. Or spending $80 on drink means a pickup bed full of Busch Lite Draft to be consumed on Monday morning before work rather than one bottle of Aberlour A'bunadh that you'll nurse evenings by the fireside through the winter months.

In one overseas job one of my junior employees had a full bar in his cubicle on the work floor and it was pretty much normal. In Germany our movie theater had a nice bar in the lobby, but admittedly the attitude was different--you could get a $20 cocktail but not a plastic cup of bland corn-based beer which is probably what the Lincoln theater will serve once that battle is over. But I don't recall drunk driving, etc being as big of an issue there, because they were Germans and Germans are generally fanatical about following rules.

I'd sort of like the US to go in the direction of thinking about alcohol more maturely and not operating on the assumption that everyone is an out-of-control idiot incapable of discretion and self control.

SemperFiGuy:
The Amateur Trapshooting Association directly addresses this issue in its rules in this manner:

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Rule XII.B.2.a:
It is the responsibility and the required duty of Shoot Management to immediately remove and disqualify any contestant at any time during an ATA sanctioned tournament:

a. who is under the obvious influence of alcohol or drugs before starting or during any event, sub-event, shoot-off or practice, or who consumes any alcoholic beverage or drugs during participation in any event, sub event or between events or sub events held on the same day including shoot-offs and practice.
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"Drugs" are further defined as either illegal drugs or legal drugs which impair physical and/or mental function.

sfg

Tacticoolio:

--- Quote from: Gary on April 23, 2014, 11:25:03 PM ---I bet lots of people would shun any gun range, with a alcohol license.  I know I would not set foot in one.
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I am now in full support of gun ranges serving alcohol!

Until the government can regulate our decisions more effectively, perhaps by use of brain implants and metropolitan-centralized nervous systems, the decision to use alcohol before participating in a dangerous task is always within possibility.  Most bars are not within walking distance of its patrons' homes.

More seriously, I really do think that providing a social space for gun enthusiasts to gather HELPS us reach our goals.  If we can't trust someone to drink only after shooting, then could we really trust them with either a firearm or alcohol before that?

Side story... I enjoyed a frosty cold one while sitting on my tailgate after a recent classifier match.  There was something... satisfying... about enjoying a drink while watching fellow shooters finish their course of fire.  (There were no casualties)

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