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00BUCK:
And a lot can be learned about an individual just by looking at his/her signature line.
If you don't stand for open carry then you are not 100% in support of the second amendment. The right to BEAR arms. That is a fact that you can not argue, no matter how many posts you have or how many likes you get.
Gary:
When This jackass got out of prison, should his 2nd Amendment rights been reinstated?
This moron, and his kin, are responsible for about 2 million dollars worth of crime and court related costs over a couple of generations.
Here is the shotgun his family gave him as a getting out of jail present. Are you OK with that?
I am not OK with it. I am damn angry, Andrea Kruger and three other people were killed, because this guy was out and about, killing people.
Here is one face gone, a family destroyed, and no I am not 100% in favor of anyone on the streets having guns.
Here is the last thing Andrea Kruger ever saw.
This is the business end of Nikko Jenkins shotgun
Gary:
This guy has a couple issues. I also have a couple of issues with him.
He has loaded guns in his home, not locked up in a gun safe. Just sitting in a closet. That is real safe (pun intended)
He is claiming to have PTSD, so much so, he cannot cope with daily issues sometimes. Does this preclude him from filling out a 4473?
I find this to be a very interesting video about open carry in Texas. Are the Texas Mothers afraid of guns, or this loose cannon?
Is this what open carry is about in Nebraska? If so, one woman talking to the group at 45 seconds into the tape, is one reaction we as gun owners are going to encounter when meeting the public. I want no part of such a show. Frankly, I am with her, in her comment to the group.
As a group, I do not see what looks to be any training in the handling of guns. Maybe, but it looks like people that have rights, and not responsibilities.
Now watch videos about daily life in Switzerland in relations to long guns. Much more humble, more focus on why, and the necessity of duty.
ILoveCats:
--- Quote from: Gary on July 31, 2014, 12:15:29 AM ---One thing is for darn sure, wear your thick skin, before you load the NFOA page.
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Meh... I doubt people are really getting so worked up over it they can't sleep. Verbal sparring as they type is one thing, but I'm sure it would be a polite conversation face-to-face. At least I'd like to think that. The opinions are not THAT divergent, and various parties are touching on various good points.
- One good perspective is that pro-gun groups shouldn't drag unsuspecting(*) businesses into a political fight because we might end up with egg on our face and a "victory" for the hoplophobes. (* That's the key word in the sentence.)
- Another good perspective is that you can't let a handful of shrill hoplophobes push you around. A lot of the facebook comments of "I'll never eat there again!" were from people who don't even live in the city. You can't make a cultural change -- or even maintain the status quo -- if you cater to the most radical outliers on the social bell curve.
- And finally another good point by Cdog (below) was largely ignored. The messaging and branding of these things could be better controlled. First, STOP organizing events on Facebook where shill "likers" are lurking and waiting to rally the radical fringe. Second, the idea of some well-drafted "talking points" is a good one. PA people never go before the camera without their MAPs (must air points) ready to go. When someone asks you a question unrelated to your MAPs, you "bridge" from the question to the best-related MAPs. http://www.toastmasters.org/ToastmastersMagazine/ToastmasterArchive/2007/July/Articles/TalkingHeads.aspx Maybe the point below is a good one and all the best perspectives from the different opinions here could be merged into MAPs.
--- Quote from: Cdog on July 30, 2014, 08:39:34 PM ---I wonder if it would benefit to have a professionally written PR statement with some rebuttals of the boilerplate statements made by the anti-crowd. It would certainly be a good idea to have someone trained in PR and message-handling (ok, spin) be the spokesperson for the OC groups when approached by media. By presenting our message professionally with reasoned arguments, we stand a better chance of OC becoming more accepted. Having other members of an OC gathering refer any reporter's questions to the PR person would also allow a clearer and more concise delivery of the message. It may also be a good idea for PR people from NFOA and NOC (if such exist) to work together more closely - personally, I think just having a separate group for OC is divisive, since as Gunscribe says the NFOA should already be handling this aspect of gun ownership.
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Mntnman:
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--- Quote from: Gary on July 31, 2014, 02:37:34 AM ---When This jackass got out of prison, should his 2nd Amendment rights been reinstated?
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Once his parole and any other debt to society is paid and he isn't deemed mentally incompetent, yes. He never would have gotten that far, though. Being prohibited certainly didn't stop him in any way.
There are some things protected by the Constitution that we don't like or scare us. If we want it to have the power to protect us, we have to accept that. Your opinions (or mine) should not be the measure of liberty. If that is the case, we will have none.
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