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Switching from a full-size to a pocket gun...
abbafandr:
I have pocket carried. It is not a bad way haul a PF9. It doesn't print at all. I haven't timed my draw with my timer so I don't know how quick it is. An old dude with his his hand in his pocket isn't particularly threatening.
I also carry the PF9 in an ankle holster (only on long road trips since it is easy to access that way).
I recently picked up a holster for appendix carry. Surprisingly comfortable, agonizingly slow to draw so far. Struggle to present it and hit the 6" circle at 7 yards in 2.5 seconds. I've timed this so I know. Think it is a combination of moving the shirt and the small handle being hard to grasp. Putting in the biggest mag and will practice that way.
My Glock 17 I can draw from IWB behind right hip and put 5 shots in 6" circle in 4.2 seconds. Timed that.
In an OWB holster I can draw and hit the 6" circle in 1.46 to 1.54 seconds regularly.
Course the better half gets testy (a tiny bit) when I carry both. But what if the Zombies attack? :laugh:
Whatever I carry is loaded and ready to fire. NO empty chamber for me >:D
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 17, 2014, 05:34:56 AM ---Oh. So that "1-2 second draw" assumes you are holding the gun already. You are able to actually do this all the time?
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Yup.
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 17, 2014, 05:34:56 AM ---I simply can't assume I'll be able to keep my hands on my gun all the time---often I have to carry things, hold stuff, open doors, etc. (Like eating food, which I'm a big fan of... :) ) For any particular type of carry (and my lifestyle), I just can't assume that I'll already have my hands on my gun, particularly in a self-defense situation. (Watching a movie, reading a menu, going to the restroom, unlocking my car, carrying groceries or anything I've bought from a store...)
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That's what God gave us two hands, and a wife for. :)
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 17, 2014, 05:34:56 AM ---What's the draw time when you don't have your hand on the gun already?
--- Quote ---Don't know. Never let the gun out of my hand when I'm armed.
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 17, 2014, 05:34:56 AM ---So---you have a pocket holster, with your hands in your pocket, but you also have a shirt or jacket over it? Or are you talking about a different gun/carry situation?
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Nope. No pocket holster. Don't need it. No jacket or shirt over it either. It doesn't print, even if I left my hand out of the pocket, and with my hand in the pocket the outside of the pocket is flat. I wear Levi jeans all the time. The front pocket is big. If any thing in my pocket prints it is the swiss army knife that sets in the bottom.
Equally import is the fact that one reason why I switched to a mosquito is because my wife can charge it, hold it, aim it, pull the trigger without flinching, and do those things relatively quickly. The fact that it holds 10 rounds and I can carry an extra 50 in my other pocket without printing is a nice plus, although I don't imagine I'd ever get into an extended gun fight.
Someone mentioned a 10mm pocket pistol. I know my wife couldn't handle that the way she does our pocket pistol, and even if she fired it once I doubt she could hang onto it. I doubt I would want to.
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SemperFiGuy:
Pocket CHP Handgun Carrier Here: Kahr 9mm, Glock 33/.357Sig. Occasionally, a bitty Beretta 21-A mousegun.
I'm of the wife-in-left-hand-pocket handgun-in-right-hand persuasion. Sorta like GreyGeek.
And I do not get into the lickety-split-second draw stuff. [Except when fumbling around at IDPA and USPSA, when it gets downright pitiful.]
Frankly, Scarlet..........I don't give a damn about fast draw. And might even be a bit concerned about whipping out a handgun and shooting too quickly, before fully assessing the threat. There's a risk on that side, as well.
Also, I don't carry one in the chamber. I carry Israeli Defense (IDF) Style. Which means draw from the pocket and rack the slide. Deliberately. Not necessarily lickety-split. But fast enough under the circumstances.
I respect all who carry their own way. All who carry differently. All who can draw from anywhere lickety-split and lightning-fast. Different strokes for Different Folks.
And--oh, yes--all who think that shot placement matters with something as puny as a handgun.
FWIW
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NE Bull:
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wallace11bravo:
For the sake of friendly debate...
--- Quote from: SemperFiGuy on September 17, 2014, 10:04:47 PM ---Frankly, Scarlet..........I don't give a damn about fast draw. And might even be a bit concerned about whipping out a handgun and shooting too quickly, before fully assessing the threat. There's a risk on that side, as well.
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Do you have any statistical references or case examples of this? With 23,000 USPSA and 22,000 IDPA members, many of whom also carry concealed, where are all the stories of people whipping out their handgun and shooting too quickly?
You are also implying that you are drawing when you HAVEN'T yet accessed the situation to determine that deadly force is necessary? Talk about whipping it out too early. :o
--- Quote from: SemperFiGuy on September 17, 2014, 10:04:47 PM --- But fast enough under the circumstances.
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How do you know what fast enough is? Do you have any case examples or statistical references? Some do exist, and I doubt they would say that whatever your draw time using pocket Israeli carry is, is "fast enough."
And all of the above assumes a WHOLE lotta things. That you are given enough time and/or distance to complete a pocket draw with charging the weapon without interference, when, again, the prerequisite to even beginning you draw is someone presents a real threat of doing death or great bodily harm unto you.
--- Quote from: SemperFiGuy on September 17, 2014, 10:04:47 PM ---And--oh, yes--all who think that shot placement matters with something as puny as a handgun.
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Again, do you have any statistical references, or even case examples? And Again, some do exist. For purely shock and awe, I'll leave this as a reminder why accuracy matters with something as puny as a handgun.
--- Quote from: SemperFiGuy on September 17, 2014, 10:04:47 PM ---I respect all who carry their own way. All who carry differently.
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I agree. In fact, as long as they are safe, I am glad folk are exercising their second amendment rights, BUT, when someone who has a different "school of thought" on the subject is going to start making claims along the lines of some of the ones you did, I feel the need to:
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