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Switching from a full-size to a pocket gun...
landon410:
My carry is a pf9 and I struggle with it past 10 yards, but within that point and shoot range I'm as good with it as anything.
GreyGeek:
My 10 shot pocket gun fits in the front pocket of my jeans and is totally invisible (doesn't print), even when I set down. I carry 20-30 rounds in my other front pocket. (In case I needed some target practice ;) ).
It is difficult, but not impossible, to pull while I am setting, especially with the seat belt on.
Standing ... 1 or 2 seconds to fire. Setting ... 5 to 10 seconds.
In most situations I suspect that it will take more than 3 seconds for most people to realize that a situation exists where they might need to use their weapon. However, after taking courses for my CHP I find myself constantly evaluating risks and dangers where ever and when ever I am out in public, just like my flight instructor taught me that part of planning a flight is making sure that you know at each instant of that flight where the nearest spot (within glide range) to land is. I'm constantly scanning people who are wearing bulky clothing, especially around the waist, for possible concealed weapons. And yes, I profile.
JTH:
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on September 05, 2014, 02:19:27 PM ---Standing ... 1 or 2 seconds to fire. Setting ... 5 to 10 seconds.
In most situations I suspect that it will take more than 3 seconds for most people to realize that a situation exists where they might need to use their weapon.
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Meant to reply to this awhile ago. :)
I agree that for most people, given a defensive situation that isn't focused on them, it will probably take awhile to figure it out. (Example: person in a store, cashier two rows down being robbed at gunpoint.) On the other hand, if someone is surprised at gun/knifepoint in a mugging, they'll probably realize it a lot faster.
That being said---that amount of time (three seconds or not) is actually a time that gets added to the draw time. In other words, having a 1-2 second draw doesn't mean being able to draw within the notice/decision time, it means having a 4-5 second lag between the situation starting and an effective defense (assuming that a gun is the proper defense, and is going to be used effectively), because the "notice" time and the "draw" time both have to happen in that order.
That may be what you meant originally, but I wasn't sure, so I thought I'd mention it.
Secondly: You can get a 1-second draw from a pocket? When your hands didn't start in your pocket? That's utterly amazing. Seriously, I'd love to see that, because I can't get anywhere near that. (Matter of fact, I don't know anyone who can do that.) Thinking about it, a 2 second draw from a pocket (with hands not starting in pockets) is an exceedingly fast time, and something that not many people can do. Matter of fact, without prepping the draw (bagging the pocket, making sure the gun is easily accessible and angled correctly, etc) I don't think I could do that consistently at all in 2 seconds.
How do you do it? I don't pocket carry, but I know several people who do, and when people ask me how to speed up their draw there isn't anything I know that will get them into play that fast---so I'd certainly like to learn.
Gary:
The problem I see in most people relying on pocket carry is the tool in their pocket. A sub compact 10mm is a vast exception to most guns that are small calibers of .25, .32 or .380. These guns typically have a half a dozen rounds. These guns are often times sub par as well as sub compact. Low priced guns for your only source of protection is a licence to failure.
I think any off duty police officer will tell you, it is not about being comfortable, it is about being comforted.
Everytime I think about going pocket carry I get two images come to mind. A group of gang members, or a group of LE like Ruby Ridge or Waco or the subject in my avatar. These are all gangs we as socker moms and business folks always have to have in the back of our minds. Do I want to face down credible threats with six rounds in a 2" barrel ? No.
Guns are for counterbalancing tyranny as much as hold ups in family businesses. Cant counterbalance very much tyranny on a pocket gun.
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on September 16, 2014, 03:13:39 PM ---How do you do it? I don't pocket carry,
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In every location (except while driving or riding in a car) I keep my hands in my pockets with the fingers of my right hand curled around the grip. My thumbs are outside the pocket. I am literally holding the gun, but it is not obvious or visible. As the gun comes out of my pocket my right thumb pushes the safety off. I couldn't get any faster using a hip holster from any concealed position. I am not reaching around behind me, inside a jacket, or reaching through a flap of shirt, or trying to pull up, or out, a shirt tail so I can expose the gun and draw it. My 9mm Beretta Nano required a concealing shirt or jacket to maintain stealth.
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