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Anyone find it Unconstitutional we have to get fingerprinted 2 get a CCP?
DR4NRA:
Why?
As others have said, I have been fingerprinted for the military, working in corrections, security clearance to get into areas for my work. So why should it bother me to be printed to get CHP ? I have nothing in my background to worry about, only those that want to hide something would care.
OnTheFly:
--- Quote from: newfalguy101 on August 16, 2014, 10:22:41 AM ---How??
Fingerprinting is NOT required to purchase, possess, or sell privately owned firearms.
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You are only considering the "keep" part of "To keep and bear arms". The "bear" part should not be something that has to be approved by government. A few states have "Constitutional Carry" which means they don't have to get approval to bear arms. A right is not a right if those who are not disallowed have to get approval to do it. Do you have to get approval to exercise your First Amendment rights? No, but you can be held accountable if you are not responsible with those rights AFTER the fact. Same should be true for all rights, including the Second Amendment.
Fly
newfalguy101:
--- Quote from: OnTheFly on August 16, 2014, 10:50:48 AM ---You are only considering the "keep" part of "To keep and bear arms". The "bear" part should not be something that has to be approved by government. A few states have "Constitutional Carry" which means they don't have to get approval to bear arms. A right is not a right if those who are not disallowed have to get approval to do it.
Do you have to get approval to exercise your First Amendment rights?
No, but you can be held accountable if you are not responsible with those rights AFTER the fact. Same should be true for all rights, including the Second Amendment.
Fly
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Am I??
I don't have to be fingerprinted to open carry a handgun, nor openly carry longguns...
When was the last time you showed up at a city council meeting WITHOUT at some point along the way getting permission to speak??
Since you like to use the 1st amendment as a measuring stick, would asking to be added to the agenda, or raising your hand when asked " who is here to speak on... " be an infringement??
newfalguy101:
I have only a very limited knowledge on one states "constitutional carry" and if I am not mistaken, the law reads something along the lines of " any resident ... with NO CRIMINAL intent"
So those people cant carry with criminal intent............is that a restriction on their rights???
( I am really just trying to make a point more than say the law is wrong, for what its worth... )
OnTheFly:
--- Quote from: newfalguy101 on August 16, 2014, 11:29:35 AM ---I don't have to be fingerprinted to open carry a handgun, nor openly carry longguns...
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Why should it matter whether you want to open or conceal? Neither should be something that requires permission.
--- Quote from: newfalguy101 on August 16, 2014, 11:29:35 AM ---When was the last time you showed up at a city council meeting WITHOUT at some point along the way getting permission to speak??
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I have to admit that I don't think I have ever gone to a city council meeting. With that said, are those in charge asking what your point of view is? Are they denying you permission to speak because it doesn't align with what the council believes? Or, if you are denied, is it because there are time constraints? If they are determining permission based on your stand on an issue then, yes, this would be wrong. However, I doubt that is what is going on.
--- Quote from: newfalguy101 on August 16, 2014, 11:29:35 AM ---Since you like to use the 1st amendment as a measuring stick, would asking to be added to the agenda, or raising your hand when asked " who is here to speak on... " be an infringement??
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You are comparing apples and oranges. Organizing a meeting to make sure everyone gets an opportunity to speak is not the problem. Denying you your opportunity to speak is.
--- Quote from: newfalguy101 on August 16, 2014, 11:34:37 AM ---I have only a very limited knowledge on one states "constitutional carry" and if I am not mistaken, the law reads something along the lines of " any resident ... with NO CRIMINAL intent"
So those people cant carry with criminal intent............is that a restriction on their rights???
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This verbiage is redundant. It is already illegal for a person to kill, rob, rape, etc. another person. It is also already really, really, really illegal to commit any crime with a gun. So no, this is not an infringement. Just verbiage to make some politician and/or constituent happy.
Fly
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