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Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:41:52 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090930/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_guns;_ylt=AhOki3c.3RWYOXdySNfKuoRI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTJzazltZGxnBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwOTMwL3VzX3N1cHJlbWVfY291cnRfZ3VucwRwb3MDMTMEc2VjA3luX3BhZ2luYXRlX3N1bW1hcnlfbGlzdARzbGsDYmFuaGFuZGd1bnNz

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer ? 30 mins ago
WASHINGTON ? The Supreme Court says it will take up a challenge to Chicago's ban on handguns, opening the way for a ruling that could set off a vigorous new campaign to roll back state and local gun controls across the nation.
Victory for gun-rights proponents in the Chicago case is considered likely, even by supporters of gun control, in the latest battle in the nation's long and often bitter dispute over the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. A ruling against the city's outright ban could lead to legal challenges to less-restrictive laws across the country that limit who can own guns, whether firearms must be registered and how they should be stored.
The case is to be argued early next year.
Last year, the justices struck down a prohibition on handguns in the District of Columbia, a city with unique federal status, as a violation of the Second Amendment. Now the court will decide whether that ruling should apply to local and state laws as well.
The court has previously said that most, but not all, rights laid out in the Constitution's Bill of Rights serve as checks on state as well as federal restrictions. Separately, 44 state constitutions already enshrine gun rights.
Though faced with potential limits from the high court on their ability to enact laws and regulations in this area, 34 states weighed in on the gun- rights side before the justices agreed to take the case Wednesday, an indication of the enduring strength of the National Rifle Association and its allies.
The gun case was among several the court added to its docket for the term that begins Monday. Others include:
? A challenge to part of a law that makes it a crime to provide financial and other aid to any group designated a terrorist organization.
? A dispute over when new, harsher penalties can be given to sex offenders who don't register with state sex offender databases.
? Whether to throw out a human rights lawsuit against a former prime minister of Somalia who is accused of overseeing killings and other atrocities. The issue is whether a federal law gives the former official, Mohamed Ali Samantar, immunity from lawsuits in U.S. courts.
In the gun case, outright handgun bans appear to be limited to Chicago and suburban Oak Park, Ill. But a ruling against those ordinances probably would "open up all the gun regulations in the country to constitutional scrutiny, of which there are quite a few," said Mark Tushnet, a Harvard Law School professor whose recent book "Out of Range" explores the often bitter national debate over guns.
Already, Alan Gura, who led the legal challenge to the Washington law and represents the plaintiff in Chicago, is suing to overturn the District of Columbia's prohibition on carrying firearms outside a person's home. Illinois and Wisconsin have similar restrictions.
In voiding Washington's handgun ban last year, Justice Antonin Scalia suggested that gun rights, like the right to speech, are limited and that many gun control measures could remain in place.
Ultimately, said Tushnet, the court will have to decide, possibly restriction by restriction, which limits are reasonable.
"It's very hard to know where this court would draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable," he said.
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said he hopes the court rules that "core fundamental freedoms like speech, religion and, we believe, the right to keep and bear arms are intended to apply to every individual in the country."
Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the court's decision to take up the new case was unsurprising in light of last year's ruling.
These cases should "take the extremes off the table," Helmke said, referring to bans on guns and unlimited gun rights. "What's critical for us is how the court goes about fleshing out what the limits are."
The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago had upheld the gun bans as legitimate expressions of local and state rights.
Judge Frank Easterbrook, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, wrote in the ruling that "the Constitution establishes a federal republic where local differences are to be cherished as elements of liberty rather than extirpated in order to produce a single, nationally applicable rule."
"Federalism is an older and more deeply rooted tradition than is a right to carry any particular kind of weapon," Easterbrook wrote.
Evaluating arguments over the extension of the Second Amendment is a job "for the justices rather than a court of appeals," he said.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor, then an appeals court judge, was part of a three-judge panel in New York that reached a similar conclusion in January.
The high court took the suggestion Wednesday.
Judges on both courts ? Republican nominees in Chicago and Democratic nominees in New York ? said only the Supreme Court could decide whether to extend last year's ruling throughout the country.
The New York ruling also has been challenged, but the court did not act on it Wednesday. Sotomayor would have to sit out any case involving decisions she was part of on the appeals court. Although the issue is the same in the Chicago case, there is no ethical bar to her participation in its consideration by the Supreme Court.
She replaced Justice David Souter, who dissented in the 5-4 Washington case, so the five-justice majority remains intact.
Several Republican senators cited the Sotomayor gun ruling, as well as her reticence on the topic at her confirmation hearing, in explaining their decision to oppose her confirmation to the high court.
The case is McDonald v. Chicago, 08-1521.
(This version CORRECTS that Sotomayor replaced Souter)
« Last Edit: October 01, 2009, 08:42:58 PM by Dan W »

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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 06:44:38 PM »
  If this goes our way we are in pretty good shape. If it goes the other way we are in for a life time of fighting for our rights ( I know we are probably in for that anyway) but the fight will be even more intence if we lose.
  While I agree that we seem to be in good shape to win this I will wait nervously for this decision the closer it gets to ruling.
 Question though.......Didn't Sotomayor rule in a lower court about this in some way before she became a Supreme Court Justice? If so shouldn't she have to recuse herself from this case?
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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 06:55:37 PM »
Chicago is SO screwed up.  In a place so rife with corruption, a person would REALLY want to count on the government to provide police protection.  That Daley is a POS.

Other than that, I don't have an opinion.  ::)

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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 06:56:18 PM »
The lawyers and the CCRKBA/Second Amendmendment Foundation are really getting after this. The victory in DC has them running on an adrenaline high right now. I think it is the time to do it.

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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 08:01:11 PM »
sotomayor's ruling will show how she really is.

but then again, read the 4th to last paragraph.  she might have to sit out i guess?

im not very smart or keen on the court stuff.
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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 09:24:28 PM »
I'm sure that if Ms. Sotomeyer, being the wise Latina that she is, votes against my 2nd Amendment rights, that the old white male Ben Nelson will explain to me how she's smarter than him and me anyway, so I should just shut up.

Oh, hai!! Ben... bet you thought we forgot about that l'il vote of yours by now...

I can't get rid of her... you, on the other hand... elections, Ben, elections... those irritaing little events those of you in the ruling class have to endure every six years...

...we won't forget Ben.

...just sayin'

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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 09:37:04 PM »
Justice Sotomeyer was involved in a similar case in the appeals court that the Supreme Court is not taking up.  So she does not need to sit this one out.  In the lower court she voted to uphold the lower court?s ruling saying this is an issue for the Supreme Court to decide.  Guessing she will not be our friend, but then she may follow the constitution and not let her personal prejudices in.

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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 10:14:59 PM »
Justice Sotomeyer was involved in a similar case in the appeals court that the Supreme Court is not taking up.  So she does not need to sit this one out.  In the lower court she voted to uphold the lower court?s ruling saying this is an issue for the Supreme Court to decide.  Guessing she will not be our friend, but then she may follow the constitution and not let her personal prejudices in.


Thanks Andy. .... But do you really think she will follow the Constitution? I'll believe it when I see it.



wwHuskerman,  I haven't forgot that little vote. I remind Ben of that all the time.
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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 11:32:45 PM »
Every time I email ole benny he gets a reminder that I ain't lettin go.
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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 08:41:40 PM »
Apologies to quixnet for removing your post from the merged thread, as it was a duplicate, and did not have the active links.

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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 10:34:38 PM »
Even the Brady Campain is looking at this as a loss for the Anti Gun movement, who know Sotomeyer may vote for us just to make us think she can be fair and balanced...at leaste I hope so.

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Re: Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look next year!
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2009, 04:41:42 AM »
I have no doubt in my mind that Sotomayor will rule against the 2nd Amendment in this case. She now has nothing to loose and is on the court for life. I think it is unfair that she will not withhold herself from the case since the issue was exactly the same. I don't care that it was a different court. Liberals never withhold themselves from cases they should stay out of, but Conservative Justices do. Same old story.