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selling gun question.....
Mudinyeri:
--- Quote from: barmandr on September 15, 2014, 06:23:48 PM ---So, some of you feel that the government requirement to have a purchase permit is an infringement on the RKBA, but have no problems requiring it, even though not required, when doing a private sale? Hmmm...your reason is that it is a CYA/peace of mind to make sure someone is allowed to purchase/own a gun and has passed a background check. Isn't that exactly what the government is doing to lawful citizens who want to own guns? You know, just making sure only the "right" people will purchase firearms. Yet, when it's your butt that may end up in a sling, you're all for it. Sounds like a bit of a double standard and very hypocritical.
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OK, is this better ...? If you look at me wrong, or I don't like your general vibe, I won't sell you a firearm. A part of that general vibe thing is if you get all blustery/evasive about showing me a license and/or permit. I reserve the right not to sell a gun to someone I don't want to sell a gun to. The same goes for a car, a motorcycle, an ATV or anything else.
The fact is, the permit is currently required by law for non-private party sales. It's just one way (for me) to feel out a potential buyer. If the permit requirement didn't exist, I'd find other ways.
landon410:
if we want more or less govt doesn't change the fact that if I screw up I get in trouble
we take steps to try to make sure we do everything correct whenever possible, give unto ceasar that which is ceasars, dont have to like it, and we can work to change it, but I don't want to get in trouble and the fact is that these are the things are are currently in place to help us make these decision.
I had the guy put in writing that he was legally able to purchase this firearm, he had to issues doing it, showing me his D.L. or expired purchase permit. I spoke with the guy for awhile and he seemed on the up and up.
I deal with people trying ot deceive all the time and I feel I have a pretty good eye and ear for those things and this guy passed my test, but arguing with someone because they are asking for you to produce what the law currently requires for purchasing (some) guns from a dealer seems odd to me.
jonm:
--- Quote from: Mudinyeri on September 16, 2014, 09:27:07 AM ---The fact is, the permit is currently required by law for non-private party sales.
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Is that something new?
Mntnman:
--- Quote from: jonm on September 16, 2014, 10:04:45 AM ---Is that something new?
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Only required to purchase handguns. Many dealers dislike you not having it for long guns because they have to wait for the background check to go through before you can leave.
CitizenClark:
--- Quote from: barmandr on September 15, 2014, 06:23:48 PM ---So, some of you feel that the government requirement to have a purchase permit is an infringement on the RKBA, but have no problems requiring it, even though not required, when doing a private sale? Hmmm...your reason is that it is a CYA/peace of mind to make sure someone is allowed to purchase/own a gun and has passed a background check. Isn't that exactly what the government is doing to lawful citizens who want to own guns? You know, just making sure only the "right" people will purchase firearms. Yet, when it's your butt that may end up in a sling, you're all for it. Sounds like a bit of a double standard and very hypocritical.
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No, actually that is how the market should work, with individual responsibility and not government intervention as the rule. Instead of top-down government regulations, individuals should exercise their good judgment. No one has a "right" to buy a gun from any particular seller. The right is to engage in peaceful transactions freely without government bureaucrats intervening. If someone feels uncomfortable with a sale they shouldn't complete it.
The problems with government background checks are: (a) they are a government obstacle (and often an added expense) for sellers and for individuals seeking to exercise a fundamental right, and (b) if the purpose of our having guns is primarily to protect against tyrannical government, isn't it a little ridiculous to allow the government to say who can and can't have one?
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