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OnTheFly:
--- Quote from: bullit on September 23, 2014, 06:23:48 AM ---
Fly... in your unadulterated opinion, do you believe they've made any difference? I know of no MAJOR instance that TSA has stopped anything malicious from occurring .....
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It is FAR from perfect. I have seen plenty of 80 year old women have their knitting needles taken away. The TSA function, in and of itself, is not the singular fix to security. It is one tool in the tool bag. I have used the swiss cheese analogy before, but like many systems, it has holes like swiss cheese. You put up several layers of swiss cheese and hope that none of the holes match up. I am also unaware of the TSA stopping any attempt of terrorism. But then maybe that's the point. Those with terrorist intent have decided that the TSA screening, combined with other security measures, are enough of a deterrent that they will pick other means of attacking the US. As they say, no news is good news.
I don't personally think the terrorists are focusing on our aviation system for their next strike. They had previously exploited a hole in our security, but we have made that prospect much more difficult.
Fly
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: bullit on September 23, 2014, 06:23:48 AM ---
Fly... in your unadulterated opinion, do you believe they've made any difference? I know of no MAJOR instance that TSA has stopped anything malicious from occurring .....
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Exactly! IF there had been even ONE verifiable instance of the TSA stopping a bomb-toting terrorist from getting on a plane we would never hear the end of it in the PC media. In fact, the TSA regularly and unknowingly lets people fly with dangerous weapons or even pretend bombs, but has at least on one occasion tried to stop and frisk a man AFTER he had arrived at his destination and was exiting the airport. He told them to take a hike. They called the police but they didn't come till 30 minutes after he had left.
But, the TSA isn't stopping there. They have sent ViPR teams out to do warrantless stop and searches at bus stops, train stations, and various highways around the country, while guarded by swat teams equipped with MRAV's, helicopters and snipers.
OnTheFly:
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on September 23, 2014, 10:17:18 AM ---Exactly! IF there had been even ONE verifiable instance of the TSA stopping a bomb-toting terrorist from getting on a plane we would never hear the end of it in the PC media. In fact, the TSA regularly and unknowingly lets people fly with dangerous weapons or even pretend bombs, but has at least on one occasion tried to stop and frisk a man AFTER he had arrived at his destination and was exiting the airport. He told them to take a hike. They called the police but they didn't come till 30 minutes after he had left.
But, the TSA isn't stopping there. They have sent ViPR teams out to do warrantless stop and searches at bus stops, train stations, and various highways around the country, while guarded by swat teams equipped with MRAV's, helicopters and snipers.
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I guess I can't wrap my brain around that logic. The TSA was set up as a deterrent. It still has holes, but because they have not had any great save, this proves that their efforts are futile? I guess I could apply the same logic and say that since we have not had anymore hijackings where planes have been flown into buildings, then the TSA security efforts are a complete success.
As I say, not a perfect system. As with many government agencies, they employee people who don't have the capacity to reason or more likely are not given the latitude to apply common sense. I DO think that there should be improvements. They need to be called out anytime they overstep reasonable bounds in the name of security.
I am very familiar with VIPR. They randomly come to the general aviation side of the airport and demonstrate what they don't know. One of our crewmembers was taking a nap in the plane while they waited for passengers. He heard the door open slightly and then close. He figured it was just the other crewmember starting to enter the jet, but then deciding differently. Shortly afterwards he received a call from the company stating that the TSA wanted to fine the company $XXK for leaving the plane unblocked. The dumhead nog-nogs just walked around the ramp checking to see if doors were unlocked, found one, and then left without asking the front desk where the crew was.
So, YES, there needs to be improvements. We need to call BS when they overstep their bounds, such as in my example. However, what is your alternative? No screening? Screening by a different, but just as messed up agency? Outsourcing to the private sector? Whatever changes we make, there will still be screening. Would you feel safe getting on a plane with no screening at all?
Fly
Gary:
The employee at sams club that looks over your cart as they read the items on your receipt does what exactly? Nothing. But it makes you think they are providing some vital security process to curb unpaid for items leaving the store. For fun, I have handed them the incorrect register tape and they still check it over, circle some stuff and hand it back.
It is 99% illusion.
Gary:
I put a tattoo on a TSA big wig a few years ago. His job was to go from site to site and just report back to Washington how things were going.
He was a lifetime postal employee. When TSA formed they put out ads in government pay slip envelopes for help wanted for new agency. He applied. They wanted LE expirence for the big promotion job he applied for. He was a 34 year mail sorter.
You know how he got the job? At his interview, he told his potential boss, he could take off all the time he wanted and he would make it his job to make him look good and watch his back. He was hired instantly. This guy asked me if I wanted a job. I asked doing what? He said, nothing, just like me. He was being paid to get a tattoo. I said no thanks.
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