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Another Perspective On Open Carry
Gary:
--- Quote from: bkoenig on October 03, 2014, 04:51:41 PM ---In the first picture, the hypothetical firearm (I still don't see it) is most likely being carried by an Israeli reservist. They carry their duty weapons with them when out of uniform, but they're unloaded.
If you're open carrying solely to make a political statement then carrying with or without a magwell won't make much of a difference. If you're open carrying (or concealed carrying) for protection you are handicapping yourself by not carrying with a mag inserted and a round in the chamber. If someone personally doesn't feel comfortable with that I understand. It's still better than no gun at all.
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What level of training, as in rounds fired, would someone say, is sufficient to go chamber hot?
Is a box of 50, when you first get a gun enough? Is 50 a week enough? More?
The problem, is not one thing causes ND's. It is a combo of circumstances that cause them. Baby crying, phone ringing, bills over due, fight with spouse, fight with neighbors spouse, kids, traffic, weather, job, jobs, stress.
I guess we could ask the second in command at the 3 largest police dept in the state what caused the bullet hole in the ceiling of their dispatch office. Maybe the answer is there. Or maybe the 20 year police chief of another town, that has shot himself twice, in 20 years. When I see someone going condition 3, or condition 4, I do not see someone who is unfit to carry, I see someone that is thinking of all possible outcomes, and works what could happen, into their training, and into their life.
In the video clip below, I call the mindset, the Rambo mentality. No reason to have a condition 0 rifle, in a chow line, on a military base, except it does make for interesting movie viewing. This mindset, in popular culture, trickles down into the people that watch such shows, and it influences their actions. The child shot with a dropped gun at a Halloween party, is such a outcome. Why does someone need a round chambered in a pocket pistol at a child's Halloween party?
Back to the subject of Open Carry of long guns, do the open carry folks think it prudent to carry a rifle Condition 0 or Condition 1?
Mntnman:
--- Quote from: Gary on October 03, 2014, 05:00:49 PM ---What level of training, as in rounds fired, would someone say, is sufficient to go chamber hot?
Is a box of 50, when you first get a gun enough? Is 50 a week enough? More?
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Whatever the person carrying decides is fine with me. It has been proven time and again that people with training make plenty of mistakes, anyway. I am not one that buys into the liberal fantasy that you must have mandatory training before you can do anything.
Gary:
I'll post carry condition numbers, so everyone will know what we are talking about.
Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, hammer cocked, and the safety is off.
Condition 1 - furthermore known as "cocked and locked”, means a round is in the chamber, the hammer cocked, and the manual thumb safety on the side of the frame is applied.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber and the hammer is down.
Condition 3 - The chamber is empty and hammer down with a charged magazine in the gun.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, hammer down and no magazine is in the gun.
bkoenig:
--- Quote from: Gary on October 03, 2014, 05:00:49 PM ---What level of training, as in rounds fired, would someone say, is sufficient to go chamber hot?
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It's not my place to say, or anyone else's, other than the person who makes the decision to take responsibility for their own safety. I'm fully confident in my ability to safely carry a gun with a round in the chamber. Other people may not be, and that's fine. That doesn't change the fact that someone without a mag inserted and a round chambered will not be able to react as fast.
Dan W:
Negligent discharges are caused by the assumption that a firearm is not in condition 0. In my view all firearms are always in condition 0 and treated as such, no wondering or indecision brought on by myriad scenarios. Just one state of readiness that never changes.
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