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IDPA Rule Change
bullit:
Sean I will go ahead and issue a "Failure To Do Right" at this time for both stages to save admin on our end..... The additional 40 secs (20 secs per stage) should do the trick.....
Lorimor:
Can I get my usual 29 procedurals written up now to save time too? I don't catch bullets or anything to make up for them. :(
OnTheFly:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on November 04, 2014, 09:48:13 AM ---Going to be harsh on IDPA for a moment...
...each other's mistakes and applaud each other's good runs, and then we clean up and go home. Local IDPA club is good stuff.
--- End quote ---
Here's the deal. While I agree with much of what you are saying, you, Sean, myself, and others are OCD about improving. Should everyone in all aspects of life be a little more OCD about self improvement? IMHO, yes! You commented that IDPA & USPSA do this to keep people interested, but it has another benefit. Advancement of the sport which also equates to success of the organization. More shooters = more money = more stuff they can do to make the sport grow.
It is just human nature to aim low. When the Army lowered the PT standards to improve the number of recruits passing basic training, it worked for a while. UNTIL the recruits realigned their sights on the new, lower standards. Then the Army went right back to the same pass rate they had prior to the change in test standards. Generally people aim for mediocracy. I'm too obsessive myself, though my scores at matches wouldn't indicate I am. ;D
The other issue is that there are some people who will just NEVER advance beyond a certain classification. Not because of lack of effort, but because they just don't have the physical ability (bad knees, missing fingers, poor eyesight, etc.), limited physical coordination, or their mental abilities will hold them back. Mind you, I'm not saying they are challenged (well, maybe I am), but some people just don't have "It". Whether we are talking about being a competitive shooter, brain surgeon, pilot, etc. It just may not be their forte. So USPSA and IDPA can't exclude those people.
There is another group of people, and those are the shooters who really just don't give a $hit about the competition. They are there so they can improve their shooting abilities, but more importantly spend time with friends.
So the OCD side of me absolutely agrees, but there are a LOT of people who just don't think like you do, or just can't be competitive on a higher level.
Fly
JTH:
--- Quote from: OnTheFly on November 04, 2014, 11:16:03 PM ---So the OCD side of me absolutely agrees, but there are a LOT of people who just don't think like you do, or just can't be competitive on a higher level.
--- End quote ---
There is a big difference between enjoying shooting competitions for shooting's sake (for whatever reason) and giving awards to everyone to make them all feel better.
For example, I shot Rimfire Rifle at the Zombie match instead of Production. I wasn't trying to win (well, okay, I was trying to beat Sean, but that's not the same thing), I was simply having a fun time. Even though I like to work on my skills, increase my abilities, and win if possible---sometimes I still just shoot for fun. (Heck, last year I shot Limited a couple of times for the heck of it. I'm shooting Rimfire for the upcoming SC match. I'm there to have fun!)
...but, just like there has been a push to give participation medals to everyone to make them feel good in school, IDPA also does something similar in their matches.
"Sanctioned matches must give trophies or plaques for the Division Champions as well as 1st, 2nd and 3rd placements."
...Tier 2 matches occasionally only have one or two people in a class in a particular division, and yet they are STILL giving trophies in that class. You can be the only person in your class in a Tier 2 match, and you will still get a trophy. Matter of fact, if you have three people in a class, all three of them will get trophies---it is required.
And in addition to 1st through 3rd place being required for each class in each division at a sanctioned match, there is also the division champion trophy, PLUS the large list of category trophies. Even better, in addition to the 10 different category trophies that sanctioned matches are required to give:
"Clubs are encouraged to come up with other relevant subcategories."
...so that even more people can be given trophies.
I need to make a team of IDPA shooters: One senior female who works in a gun shop who is military, one older-than-senior male that works for a print newspaper but is also a reserve LEO, one junior from another country who is incredibly accurate---and all them in ESR MM, SS, and EX. (Because that is the division that is most empty. As such, it is unlikely that there will be more than three people in each of those classes in that division.)
We could get 13 trophies just with those three people. (One of 1st-3rd in their class, High Lady, High Senior, High Distinguished Senior, High Law Enforcement, High Military, High Industry, High Press, High International, High Junior, and Most Accurate.
At a certain major match I saw recently, the guy who won the Most Accurate award indeed had the lowest number of points down. He also had a time that was just about twice what everyone else's was. I'm glad he's happy with his trophy, but I'm not sure if rewarding bullseye shooting is what IDPA is supposed to be about.
I think that having classes within divisions (and in some cases, categories) are actually good things. But there is a point where "giving people goals and rewarding people other than the guys who always win" turns into "here's your participation ribbon for the event."
That's separate from whether or not everyone is driven to improve to the same extent.
SeanN:
I think we need to get back to the important stuff here, guys.
With an FTDR on both stages, how fast and accurate would I need to be to still win?
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