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shooter:
 I was tought to say only 3 things

  he said he was gonna kill me.
   I was afraid for my life,
   I want a lawyer

   then shut your damn mouth

OnTheFly:

--- Quote from: shooter on January 03, 2015, 08:19:12 PM --- I was tought to say only 3 things

  he said he was gonna kill me.
   I was afraid for my life,
   I want a lawyer

   then shut your damn mouth

--- End quote ---

From the little training I have taken, I would say...

The perp said/did this.
I attempted to deescalate and/or remove myself from the situation.
The perp did this.
I was in fear for my life.
I was here, the perp was there.
I drew my gun and defended myself/loved ones.
That person, and that person were witnesses.
That's all I have to say.

Fly

ILoveCats:

--- Quote from: GreyGeek on January 03, 2015, 03:00:21 PM ---However, one must ask just WHEN a criminal is no a longer lethal threat?  Just because he/she is wounded and laying on the floor is NO guarantee that he/she won't get up and pull a weapon while your back is turned. 

Many judges and prosecutors earn high incomes and live in gated communities or other areas where their security is much higher than that afforded ordinary citizens.   Having been robbed several times in the previous few months proved that the police were inept at catching or stopping the thieves.   Over all, IMO, the results of the trial will be looked on as an impediment to self defence by citizens and a blank check by thieves and thugs.

Smith has appealed his conviction to the state supreme court.  To make matters worse, and prove that crime DOES pay, the Morrison County judge order that Smith pay $21,859.70 in restitution to the mother of Haile Kifer, the woman shot during their robbery attempt.  Apparently the mother never taught her daughter than repeatedly stealing other people's property is immoral and illegal.

--- End quote ---

Regardless of what the mother did or didn't teach her daughter, Smith committed murder at time mark 13:57 of this audio tape.  When the teen girl came tumbling down the stairs after the first shot, then he took the time to clear the jam/misfire and tell her sarcastically, "Oh, sorry about that" before resuming shooting her while saying, "You're dying, b***h!"        I had the "pleasure" of knowing Smith in the workplace, and I though I only had limited dealings with him I thought he was a total weirdo.  This event didn't surprise me too much. 

depserv:
Let me add a few rules:

Keep your enemy as ignorant as possible about your capabilities and your intentions.  Sun Tzu said: know your enemy and know yourself, and in many battles you will never be defeated.  It follows that the less your enemy knows about you the more likely he is to be defeated, which is essential to your survival.  This obviously does not apply to cases where displaying your weapon can keep a fight from taking place.  But when a fight can't be avoided, your enemy should see a muzzle flash as soon as he sees your gun (and preferably he doesn't see either because you have outmaneuvered him).  Also, carry concealed.  Even if a situation warrants open carry, as in the aftermath of a huge disaster where long guns might be carried, I would still carry a hidden pistol.

Bad guys are like cockroaches in your house and rabbits in your garden: always assume that where there is one, there might be more just outside of your awareness.  Train to break tunnel vision when you go to the range, and condition yourself to be and remain aware of everything around you if you are forced into a fight.

It's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 as the saying goes, but it's even better be tired from running away, because being tried by 12 will cost you a lot of money, and the 12 might end up being indoctrinated nitwits.

Shoot to kill.  If you don't have a reason to use lethal force you don't have a reason to shoot at a person.  This even applies to warning shots: don't take Joe Biden's advice because it will get you in trouble, and if seeing a gun doesn't stop a person hearing one probably won't either.

Study and practice basic hand to hand combat, because that precedes gunfights sometimes.  Things like palm heel strikes and tripping and stomping on a person's knee aren't that hard to learn.

Make sure your pistol is carried securely and is concealed, because if it falls out of your holster (or belt or whatever) or your enemy gets a hold of it because you were carrying it conspicuously on your hip, it means that all the time you were carrying your gun you were carrying it for your enemy to use against you, which means that not only do you die, but you die as a fool.

If the first rule of a gunfight is to have a gun, the second rule should be to have a gun that works.  The gun you carry will get lint and dust in it and should be cleaned every so often even if you don't shoot it.
   

Lorimor:
By all means, draw and shoot only when necessary.  And when necessary, make those shots count by putting them where they count.  The threat must be stopped as quickly as possible.  Shoot as much as necessary to stop the threat and no more.   It may be one shot.  It may be 12 shots.  It may be 20 shots. 

I am not shooting to kill.  I am shooting to stop the threat.  I am shooting in defense of innocent life. 

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