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DenmanShooter:
Hey man, let's just all calm down. Okay?
Best quote.
:P :P :P :P :P :P
Mudinyeri:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on February 13, 2015, 02:44:13 PM ---(Have you noticed how you often you insist that your point is the important one?)
Again, missing the point. Of course most people don't know about violence, because they've never had to participate in a violent situation. That's not the point.
The point is that many males think their effectiveness is significantly higher than it is, in violent situations. Your point is about actual facts, which is not in dispute. The article is discussing opinions people have about themselves.
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My point is my point. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is no more or no less important than yours or someone else's. However, when you unequivocally state that I (or someone else) am missing the point, I try to explain how I arrived at that point. Perhaps, in your mind, that is me insisting that my point is more important than yours. Quite the contrary, it is usually me suggesting that your way is not the only way or interpreting something. (Ever notice how often you tell people that they are missing the point?) The great thing about interpretation is that it is unique to the individual. Two people can come to a different conclusion after reading a particular article and both be right!
You're mighty confident that you know the point aren't you? Do you have special insight into mind of the author of the Onion article?
Why do you think men (people) have the opinion that their "effectiveness is significantly higher than it is?" Is it ... oh, I don't know ... because of a lack of experience and/or information? Could there be a correlation and you simply missed the point?
JTH:
--- Quote from: Mudinyeri on February 16, 2015, 10:31:35 AM ---My point is my point. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is no more or no less important than yours or someone else's. However, when you unequivocally state that I (or someone else) am missing the point, I try to explain how I arrived at that point. Perhaps, in your mind, that is me insisting that my point is more important than yours. Quite the contrary, it is usually me suggesting that your way is not the only way or interpreting something. (Ever notice how often you tell people that they are missing the point?) The great thing about interpretation is that it is unique to the individual. Two people can come to a different conclusion after reading a particular article and both be right!
You're mighty confident that you know the point aren't you? Do you have special insight into mind of the author of the Onion article?
Why do you think men (people) have the opinion that their "effectiveness is significantly higher than it is?" Is it ... oh, I don't know ... because of a lack of experience and/or information? Could there be a correlation and you simply missed the point?
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That's pretty amazing thinking there. I'm just going to leave it, because your point and your reasoning for it are extremely clear, and I just don't need to point out anything in it at all for more clarity regarding the initial post, the subsequent discussion, and your commentary, because your point of view and attitude and thinking process is quite clear.
JTH:
I was wrong---I need to say one more thing, which I note is often a point of contention in many discussions:
Everyone certainly may have whatever opinions they like. However, the value that should be ascribed to those opinions varies widely--and more importantly, opinions don't actually change facts. So when opinions are at odds with facts, the opinions are just wrong, though the people holding them are still welcome to continue to hold their opinions. However, also "of course" it doesn't make them right.
All opinions aren't equal. And yes, opinions can be wrong, too.
Saying "my point is my point" doesn't make it more right or wrong than any other statement. As such, it is able to be discussed in factual terms just like anything else. It someone says something incorrect, the fact that it is "their point" makes no difference.
Mudinyeri:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on February 16, 2015, 02:55:15 PM ---... because your point of view and attitude and thinking process is quite clear.
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As are yours.
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