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Exclusive: Negotiating Rights Away-NRA's Cynical Secret "Deal With The Devil"
Dan W:
--- Quote from: Mudinyeri on April 13, 2015, 07:12:40 AM --- By broadening the definition of "sporting purposes" we seem to be regaining ground
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They intend to use it to ban more ammo imports and armor piercing BS
Mudinyeri:
--- Quote from: Dan W on April 13, 2015, 02:17:39 PM --- They intend to use it to ban more ammo imports and armor piercing BS
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Seems just the opposite to me. By broadening the definition of "sporting purposes" more types of ammunition would fit into the definition ... including those types historically defined as such and only recently defined differently.
depserv:
Any sporting use language is a knife in the back of the Second Amendment, and should be removed. It never should have been there in the first place, and definitely should have been removed after the Heller Decision, which affirmed (among other things) that the word arms means what it says, and is not in any way limited to things you go hunting with. It is absolutely absurd to pretend that a gun is legitimate only if its purpose is trivial (which is what sporting means). I don't know why the NRA insists on sleeping with whores, but if it was up to me instead of them... well it's probably just as well to say that even though I don't like their methods, if I had my way things might have gotten really bad. So maybe they're wiser than me.
Dan W:
--- Quote from: depserv on April 13, 2015, 04:41:53 PM ---Any sporting use language is a knife in the back of the Second Amendment, and should be removed. It never should have been there in the first place, and definitely should have been removed after the Heller Decision, which affirmed (among other things) that the word arms means what it says, and is not in any way limited to things you go hunting with.
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I agree...allowing the redefinition of the "sporting purpose" language gives it more legitimacy rather than removing it as a qualifier as the Heller decision seems to support.
While it is possible that we could gain in some manner, these gains are at the whim of BATFE and IMHO are not a "regaining " of any right, but rather a reaffirmation that the 2nd Amendment violations supported by the "sporting purposes" language continue unchallenged, and with NRA approval.
tstuart34:
I see this as winloss.. Good to see the ATF back down a little but I also think that they should be taken to court and driven into the ground where they belong. Hopefully some of the companies with law suits see the need for there cause and press on just based on the fact the ATF will slap them in the face the next time they get a chance.
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