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Don't spank you kid or yell @ your spouse!
newfalguy101:
--- Quote from: DRech on June 05, 2015, 03:54:37 PM ---Did you just really say that?? its ok for the police to beat their spouses?? what a smart !@#. I spent 35 years of my life in a cruiser and gladly gone now so I do not have to endure hateful sarcasm from an ungrateful mouth like that. Very obvious you have a chip on your shoulder.
And yes , even for police, a DV conviction around here anyways means your career in law enforcement is over.
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Honestly, I am not sure if this was directed towards me or not, but, if it was, I think perhaps you mistook my comment.
I was trying to convey my disgust in the fact that law enforcement/military get an exemption from the DV conviction disability to possess firearms.
It is my position that being prohibited, means prohibited, with no exceptions ( now whether a DV conviction should or should not be a disqualifier is a discussion for another time and place ).
Look at it this way, if a cop stopped at my table at a gunshow ( and at least a couple have bought from me ) , and HAS a DV conviction, I can NOT sell to them, as they can NOT truthfully answer "no" to question 11.i , BUT, they go to work and carry a handgun, and drive a car a shotgun and or AR strapped to the dash.
They are charged with enforcing the law, and yet are exempt from it???
I fully understand that the vast majority of LEO's are fine people doing a tough job, and I tend to believe that the vast majority, would actually agree with my position.
And, finally, while I typed the comment, it was POLITICIANS who ( by adding the exemption AFTER THE FACT) that in essence said it was "OK".........perhaps your righteous indignation should be directed their way..
DRech:
Ok,... giving the benefit of the doubt, it did appear you were showing your contempt for "cops" police officers,...and we do agree with your position on DV convictions. I also admit that postings, or emails, texting is a poor way to communicate because things can be taken the wrong way when they were not meant to. However if you wanted to stay politically correct, more and more officers I know are caring less for the word "cop" because it always seems to be coupled with an insult or a four letter word. In other words, some one is about to say something ugly to you.
Not sure if you are in Nebraska or not but you might want to read Nebraska state law 28-1206 on prohibited persons, especially if you are in the gun business. 28-1206 covers a lot of things but specifically anyone convicted of a misd act of domestic violence anywhere in the country, not just Nebraska. Anyone with a conviction in the last 7 years caught with a firearm is committing a class 1D felony. If convicted faces up to 50 years in prison. That does not sound like any exemption to me. I don't know what news paper you read , but I have never heard of a Nebraska police officer keeping their job after a DV conviction unless you are bringing something up from a very long time ago.
newfalguy101:
I don't know of any cases, and I was "talking" in general terms, nothing specific.
For what its worth, there is a difference between an officer losing his job as the result of a conviction, and the fact that LEOs/military are exempt.... perhaps it would better to phrase it as, active LEO's/military, as once they are retired or otherwise out of said career/job, they would no longer be exempt
Greybeard:
I think there needs to be a clarification here, and somebody correct me if I am wrong. Originally, the DV was a misdemeanor, and seemed to be NO BIG DEAL, many accepted it without a fight and plead guilty. Then, several years ago, (I do not remember the exact circumstances or time) a law was passed that reached back (NO GRANDFATHERING) and declared thatall of those DV convictions now had the weight of FELONIY CONVICTIONS, and the people involved had lost their 2A rights. Many Law Enforcement and Military were caught in an awkward situation. Those people are who the exemption was for, and it was the right thing to do. Changing the rules after the fact is not the American Way. Those convicted after the fact are convicted of Felony DV and DO LOSE their 2A rights, and KNOW IT AT THE TIME!!!
newfalguy101:
The 4473 doesn't say anything about conviction date, and the only exception is for those convictions set-aside or expunged.
Question 11.i specifically asks about Misdemeanor Domestic Violence. Felonies are covered under question 11.b
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