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"I bought a gun, what holster should I get?"
abbafandr:
I have used Fobus holsters on 2 guns. One worked like it should. The other definitely required considerable effort to draw the gun.
I remember attending a class on movements and fellow participants had magazines and even handguns falling on the ground from the pouches and holster. Not certain what brands of equipment involved there.
When I get my G34 I will be acquiring a new holster for it. I'm kinda liking the Blade-Tech stuff I've seen. It will be used for USPSA only so no extraordinary retention level will be required.
JTH:
--- Quote from: DenmanShooter on July 04, 2015, 08:01:46 AM ---In the picture below, I have circled the tension adjustment screw on the FOBUS. In that picture, the reason the Shield is not going all the way into the holster is that the tension has been adjusted so tight the trigger guard cannot be forced all the way into the holster. It is also possible that is the wrong holster. Never the less, that is the adjustment screw.
--- End quote ---
Actually, that picture is from this holster review:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/12/ralph/holster-review-fobus-roto-paddle-holster-galco-tuck-n-go-blackhawk-cqc-uncle-mike%E2%80%99s-3-pocket-holster/
...in which he says: "The adjustable retention was a snap and the holster was so supremely comfortable, I hardly knew that I was carrying."
So I'm not sure where you got your comment of "In that picture, the reason the Shield is not going all the way into the holster is that the tension has been adjusted so tight the trigger guard cannot be forced all the way into the holster. It is also possible that is the wrong holster." ...since the picture itself is from a holster review and he talks about tension adjustments. (And that's a compact M&P, not a Shield.) One assumes that for his holster review, he got the right holster, and since he talked about tension adjustments, he managed to adjust the tension.
I do believe that I said that one line of Fobus holsters (the Evolution series) has an adjustment screw. At the same time, I noted that their line of standard holsters does not, and even provided pictures of such. Here's the second picture I gave in my post where the holster doesn't have any adjustment ability:
(Among other things, their standard line of holsters existed long before they came out with their Evolution line, and they still sell their standard holsters.)
So---yes, your picture is of a Fobus with an adjustment screw. And adjusting it is easy.
...none of which changes the fact that 1) many Fobus holsters cannot be adjusted for tension, and 2) even a cursory image search on Fobus holsters shows that the vast majority of them do not cover the trigger guard. (Even the ones with adjustable tension.)
Another way of looking at it: The promotional graphics created by Fobus to market their holsters often don't have their holsters covering the trigger guard. I'm thinking that they probably know how to adjust the tension, so that probably isn't the issue.
Example:
http://www.fobusholster.com/products/RUGER_SR9_PADDLE_HOLSTER-3356-86.html
Picture:
Another example:
http://www.fobusholster.com/products/38_MODELS_22_MODEL_non_target_pathfinder_32_MODEL_PADDLE_HOLSTER-6012-86.html
Picture:
One more:
http://www.fobusholster.com/products/CZ_P_01_40P_PADDLE_HOLSTER-3431-86.html
Picture (it amuses me that for a CZ holster, they show a picture of a Ruger---and we can see that MUCH of the trigger guard isn't covered):
Here's one of the Evolution holster from the Fobus page:
http://www.fobusholster.com/products/TAURUS_92_99_EVOLUTION_PADDLE_HOLSTER-2781-116.html
Picture:
How about another one?
http://www.fobusholster.com/products/FITS_GLOCK_42_EVOLUTION_PADDLE_HOLSTER-9087-116.html
Picture:
Here's the LCP holster:
http://www.fobusholster.com/products/RUGER_LCP_EVOLUTION_PADDLE_HOLSTER-4832-116.html
I think---that probably Fobus knows how to adjust the tension on the holsters that they make that actually have an adjustable tension. And they probably can pick the right holster for the gun.
Given that, if even their PROMOTIONAL PICTURES don't cover the trigger guard, I'm thinking we can safely assume that their holsters often won't cover the trigger guard.
Edited to fix a couple of the pictures and add one word to a sentence.
JTH:
--- Quote from: abbafandr on July 04, 2015, 08:16:14 AM ---I remember attending a class on movements and fellow participants had magazines and even handguns falling on the ground from the pouches and holster. Not certain what brands of equipment involved there.
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All sorts of different ones. :)
Pretty much all of those were competition holsters for Production division without locking mechanisms, in which the assumption was that on any stage the competitor would draw first so the retention needed was minimal. The pouches were deep so the gun wouldn't fall out under normal movement if it was bumped or anything, but hard running (and the up-and-down movement due to that) would be enough to bounce the gun out. As such, running without your hand on the gun can be a problem if you leave the gun in the holster. For competition holsters, that makes sense. (Duty or carry holsters, different situation.)
The mag pouches, though---people needed to crank up the tension on their pouches. THOSE need to hold the mags through serious movement, and if they couldn't it wasn't good.
In my opinion, there is this nice happy medium point for carry holsters in between the "falling out while walking" light tension and the "need a crane to get it out" heavy tension. One of the reasons I like Kydex holsters over leather (and this is just a personal preference) is that for carry holsters I can set the tension so there is a distinct "pop" to draw the gun--but it doesn't drag on the gun through the whole draw, and a quick lift of the gun pops it out of the retention without further resistance, so you can have the same draw as any other time (such as when using a competition rig) while keeping good retention for your carry holster. Doing that with leather generally means having sliding resistance through the entire coming-out-of-the-holster part, and that difference (if the retention is solid) makes for a very different-feeling draw.
Again, that's just a personal preference.
--- Quote ---When I get my G34 I will be acquiring a new holster for it. I'm kinda liking the Blade-Tech stuff I've seen. It will be used for USPSA only so no extraordinary retention level will be required.
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I've seen a couple of other types of pouches that I also like for USPSA Production division, but I have to admit, I really like the Blade-Tech ones. Their DOH holster is a good solid one to get, though I will say that I was pretty shocked at what a solid/repeatable/non-moving difference the BOSS hanger made to the holster setup.
http://www.benstoegerproshop.com/BSPS-BOSS-Dropped-Offset-DOH-Holster-p/bsps-holster.htm
Comes with a Blade-Tech pouch and the BOSS hanger. If you already have a Blade-Tech pouch, you can simply buy the hanger and switch it over. (If you like Comp-Tac pouches, they can come with those instead.)
ILoveCats:
Are there a lot of accidental discharges because a molded plastic holster didn't cover the back 1/4" of the guard? I thought the main thing would be that it covered the trigger itself. Looking at the pictures you posted, the worst "offender" is the LCP one (although that's a Kel-Tec P-3AT in there.)
My LCP fits the same way, but you'd be really, really hard pressed to get anything somehow down in there and hooked over the trigger. I'd have to work at it for a while to to get a loop of paracord in there and hooked around the trigger. If I wore the LCP Fobus holster, and a pullover with a paracord tie at the bottom, I reckon I'd have to wear that combo every day for a few hundred years before the cord ever got itself somehow worked down in there.
I'd think that an LCP or Smith 642 in a pocket holster and tight jeans pockets would be at much higher risk to somehow have something accidentally get in front of the trigger, then pressing on it when you sit down. And everyone tells me that risk is infinitesimally small and nothing to worry about.
DenmanShooter:
This has grown to a thread about fobus rather than the original intention.
Also jth - your original post was not about competition, it was about gaining experience and practice at the range.
I would defer to your extensive knowledge and experience when it comes to competitive ventures, but really, for range and practice you don't need all that fancy gear.
You don't need mag holsters. You don't even need passive retention.
Just someplace to stick it.
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