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I may actually want an evil, icky black rifle
ILoveCats:
As a "real guns only have wood stocks and glossy bluing" kind of guy, it pains me to admit this. I handled and shot a friend's AR recently (short barrel so technically an M4 maybe... whatever...) and it was pretty neat. Not a lot of tacticool rails and lights and sirens and stuff stuck all over it; nice and basic. And lighter than I expected. My son just passed his hunter safety and may want to get a deer this year, and I couldn't help but think with it's light weight and adjustable stock, it might not make a bad first deer rifle.
I always thought, nah, that caliber is too light and a hunting with an AR is just kinda ... gauche. Maybe I was wrong. I keep hearing of more and more younguns who do a fine job getting their first deer with that caliber and 'platform'.
So, without getting too much into the discussion of whether the caliber is enough for deer, what do you all think of the new breed of budget ARs that have cropped up in the last couple years? Some co-workers have recently bought the S&W "sports" and Ruger's new budget offering, and seem to like them very much. Are they all they're cracked up to be? Do they typically come with a rifling twist that would work for heavier-bullet loads one would use for game? Any brands to stay away from?
I'm just starting to surf the 'web and read up on all this since I'm not even fully fluent on the difference between 5.56 and .223.
tstuart34:
Start out 556 is hotter then 223. You can shoot 223 in a 556 chamber but not 556 in a 223 chamber. Then you have 223 wylde that can shoot 556.
The trend right now is going with a 1:9 twist becuase it stablizes the lighter 55 gr bullets. Slowly 1:8 twist is coming popular since it is in the middle of the 1:7 and 1:9. Anything over 64gr is not recommend in a 1:9 but have seen reports that it works. 1:7 twist works for your 70'sgr well.
Quality of rifles vary a lot.... mainly in the trigger and barrel quality. Chrom lined barrels are often bottom barrel any more. Melonite and other coatings are trending to high end. I would guess that the M&P is 1:9 twist possibly same with Ruger(never looked). If you go budget your going to get budget. Is it fun to shoot yes. Will it be minute of dear yes. Will you want to upgrade it more than likely.
ILoveCats:
Thanks. Looked at the Ruger over lunch. Barrel on that was 1:8. The rest seemed to be 1:9. The Ruger was nice but the front sight seemed to be pretty permanently attached, so not sure how that would work with optics.
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Well I figure you can always use a budget AR kicking around, right? That's why this would not be "the kid's deer rifle" but "Dad's rifle that you can borrow 'til you get a job and buy your own gun."
tstuart34:
1:8 would work great with some TSX bullets.
If it has the standard site post on it that can be removed for a low profile gas block. Ar require a lot more riser then a bolt rifle does. I have never shot a rifle with a iron site and a scope but if you have the scope high enough (1/3 cowitness) because of the focal point the site post disappears. Someone else would have to chime in on that.
NE Bull:
The DPMS Oracle comes with no sights- "optics ready"
Watch Palmetto State Armory, you can assemble and upper and lower of your choice pretty inexpensively.
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