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GreyGeek:
http://www.mainstreamonline.org/articles/41/02/Armed%20Guard.php

And, since articles like these tend to disappear after the fact, I copy it in its entirety below.  The ignorance and self-delusion is palpable, and it cost 10 people their lives and many more personal injury.    The administration's decision will open it up to lawsuits for failing to provide protection to students.  Lawsuits they deserve, IMO.


--- Quote ---President Joe Olson took time out of his busy schedule to meet with the UCC community to get their opinions about the idea of having an armed security guard on campus.

A very timely discussion of having an armed security is moving through campus right now. With the accidental shooting in Myrtle Creek hitting very close the home, the discussion is more important than ever before. Should UCC have an armed security guard?

President Joe Olson reached out to a group of students who discussed their thoughts over lunch. College Council has also been discussing the issue. Olson held two open forums Friday, Oct. 31 to allow folks to share their opinions directly with him. Olson reported in a campus wide email the issue is very much split 50-50.

This split is a national trend on the gun control debate. On a debate.org survey, 55 percent are in favor of guns in public school while 45 percent oppose. Debate.org is a nonprofit organization that allows people to debate hot topics covered behind their computers with people from across the nation.

Human Recourses [sic] recently opened the application process for a Chief of Security as a long term guard, Danny McCall, will be retiring in December. Since Jess Miller has taken over as Director of Facilities and Security this year, I see an opportunity for change looming on the horizon.

In the discussion I have been exposed to, the original idea is to arm one security guard, with an extensive law enforcement background. In my opinion, that scenario will do more harm than good because it creates a very powerful position for one guard, while other guards lack the same protection should they be presented with the same situation.

It is a very drastic change to go from having no weapon to carrying a loaded gun, a change that one can argue is unnecessary. We have a very large campus; were there to be an active shooter at the Technology Building, it would take at least two to three minutes for the armed security guard to race up the hill to the scene from almost any point on campus. In this highly unlikely scenario, that would allow time for the perpetrator to race into the woods or head off down College Road.

On the other hand, in my time at UCC, I have been aware of several instances within 15 minutes of campus where there was a casualty due to gun violence. Just last year, there was a shooting near the Del Ray Cafe.

One student who spoke with me following one of the discussions said she suggested the idea of tasers, or stun guns for all of the guards, as opposed to one gun for one guard. According to Medical News Today, tasers can cause cardiac arrest in those with pre-existing medical conditions. Extremely elevated heart rates caused by fight or flight responses and/or intoxication can also increase chances of cardiac arrest. The author suggested that tasers “should be used judiciously, and an unconscious individual should be monitored closely and resuscitated, if necessary.”

I firmly believe that a gun does not kill someone; the person who pulls the trigger does. With a taser, the guards will not shoot to intentionally kill; they will shoot to gain control in a hostile, desperate situation.

Guns are very dangerous, even with users who have years of experience and training; misfires happen or guns end up in the wrong hands. These risks are very real and are heavy on the hearts of our community right now.
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depserv:
I think those who disarm students (or employees, customers, etc.) ought to be sued when they fail to protect those they disarm.  I would even consider what they do criminal negligence, since bearing arms is a right, not a privilege, and give them jail terms.

The author of the letter is as good an example as I've seen of an educated idiot.  It's just too bad that such an idiot has so much power to be an accessory to so much evil.

depserv:
Here's a little more on the subject:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/01/umpqua-community-college-uses-unarmed-security-guards/

BranchMillardian:
Hopefully this didn't get posted elsewhere. To follow in the spirit of this thread, I stumbled upon this: http://6abc.com/education/villanova-students-protest-armed-campus-police-/1047685/

Words just escape me.

It's many years away, but I am seriously considering trying to talk my kids into abandoning any notion of attending college. I don't want to send in intelligent, polite teens and have them spit out rude, (perhaps even obscene and profane) ne'er-do-wells, who can't even put in a full day in the labor force and are just dead weight on society. Perhaps a trade...or three for each kid is the way to go?

Who here would hire a journeyman plumber/electrician, slash Cisco CCNA in about 15-20 years?

GreyGeek:

--- Quote from: BranchMillardian on October 29, 2015, 08:13:33 PM ---Perhaps a trade...or three for each kid is the way to go?

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The are no STEM jobs available in the USA for Americans.  Those jobs are given to H-1B's specifically because they are cheap labor, almost indentured servants.

I hold three degrees and five certifications.  However, if I had it to do all over again in today's situation I'd get a degree in Vetinary, OR I'd attend a trade school and learn several trades: electrician, plumbing, welding, power generation and similar skills.  I wouldn't even bother to get degrees or certifications because in the chaos that lies ahead for this country those who know and can do will be more useful than those who cannot.  I cannot think of anything more worthless than degrees in psychology, history, poky sci, humanities, education or social services, etc.  The percentage of HS & college grads who cannot read, write or do math at the level of  a 1950 Eight grader is  appalling. Your kids are probably still in grade school.  Teach them how to use hand tools.  Teach them good math before they are taught "new" math. And Trig & geometry.  Make sure that can read and write well. Don't depend on the public schools to do that.  And be sure they memorize the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, and a true history of our country's founding.  In their future they may have to re-create our Republic.   Sad but true: most of the high school and college graduates of the last 30 graduating classes are ill prepared to function without government aid.  Aid they've been forced to become dependent on.

I probably won't live to see that dismal future but I fear for my grandchildren. :(

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