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The Thinking that made the Oregon shooting worse
JTH:
--- Quote from: Kendahl on October 30, 2015, 05:01:53 PM ---You don't have to go that far. Just make sure they realize that, for such a big investment of time, effort and money, they need to major in a field with good employment prospects. A degree in fuzzy studies is ok if you are independently wealthy but not if you will have to earn a living after college.
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Strongly agree.
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on October 31, 2015, 08:51:27 PM ---Your original statement was:
"The are no STEM jobs available in the USA for Americans. Those jobs are given to H-1B's specifically because they are cheap labor, almost indentured servants. "
There is absolutely nothing in the link you sent that supports that statement. Matter of fact, it completely refutes your statement as it specifically lists a number of areas in which there is a shortage of STEM workers. And nowhere does it say anything about "H-1Bs" or anything remotely similar other than it mentions that government/defense jobs aren't available for foreign nationals which contributes to an even high shortage of STEM-qualified workers.
So: No. Your statement is flatly untrue.
Your original statement was:
"Sad but true: most of the high school and college graduates of the last 30 graduating classes are ill prepared to function without government aid. "
Your support for a generalized statement about over 50% of high school and college graduates from the last 30 years is...
...based on your personal experience with some temp workers.
Right. Okay.
In just the last eight years, over 24 million high school students have graduated in the U.S. I'm thinking your personal experience probably isn't going to be very representative of 12 million of them, not to mention not being representative of all the college graduates from that time frame.
Much less 30 years of such.
So again: No.
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My personal experience was with temp workers hired at the dept of rev where I worked. We hired about 150+ per year in the hopes of getting 70 who would work for the entire season. Most were recent HS grads. More than half could not read or write at an eight grade level and required person verbal instructions and simple step procedures printed on paper in minimal English in order to do their job. Many would fail to appear for their second day of work and never showed up again. Many would be late or not show up for work on Mondays because they partied too hard over the weekend. Of the 70 or so who stuck around probably a dozen would be worth hiring full time. 10% of the total number who applied for work. So yes, it is my "personal" experience but I have little doubt that it is unique.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
JTH:
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on November 01, 2015, 09:34:28 AM ---My personal experience was with temp workers hired at the dept of rev where I worked.
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Just an observation: If they are going for temp work out of high school, then they probably aren't the folks going on from high school to the military, trade school, an apprenticeship, or college.
So---what you experienced doesn't surprise me. Overall, that subset of high school students will be significantly lower-achieving than the average high school student.
--- Quote ---We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Oh, indeed. This doesn't change the fact that there was no support for this statement, presented by you as a fact:
"The are no STEM jobs available in the USA for Americans. Those jobs are given to H-1B's specifically because they are cheap labor, almost indentured servants. "
In a similar fashion, there is a significant difference between this statement (presented by you as a fact):
"Sad but true: most of the high school and college graduates of the last 30 graduating classes are ill prepared to function without government aid."
and this one:
"Sad but true, I believe that most of the high school and college graduates of the last 30 graduating classes are ill prepared to function without government aid."
One of those is an opinion, and phrased as such. The other was presented as a statement of fact---which it isn't.
Nothing wrong with opinions, and interesting opinions spark interesting discussions. But taking opinions and phrasing them as statements of fact isn't really useful to discussion.
Mali:
As someone who works in the STEM field I can guarantee that there are plenty of jobs out there. This is a career field that is sometimes hard to get into because the pay doesn't start out high and you really do have to work your way up with experience, but we are a consulting firm that also does placement and our recruiting team is always busy looking for people to fill internal and client needs.
There is a segment of the population that feels that the rest of us owe them everything and bring that attitude to the workplace, but I have seen that a lot of them start to change their tune after a few years in the workforce in responsible jobs. Not all, but a lot of them.
RLMoeller:
I work in IT and have seen many interns at my day job (in Omaha) that are very sharp. They are college interns and many are offered full-time employment after graduation. I am not sure I would agree with the H1B assertion, as it appears those folks living here under a work visa make good money. We also outsource (offshore) a lot of development positions. Those offshore are making very little in comparison. Not the same as those with H1B's.
I just read an op-ed in LJS regarding school choice. It had some interesting figures regarding LPS ACT scores and college readiness compared to state and national averages. I didn't check to verify the accuracy so I don't know those numbers to be true. If that is accurate I can see how that could affect the experiences of someone that works for the state in Lincoln.
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