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JTH:
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on October 30, 2015, 05:41:13 AM ---The are no STEM jobs available in the USA for Americans. Those jobs are given to H-1B's specifically because they are cheap labor, almost indentured servants.
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That's flatly untrue.
I'm all for the skills and knowledge the rest of your post suggests be taught to children, I'll note.
--- Quote ---Sad but true: most of the high school and college graduates of the last 30 graduating classes are ill prepared to function without government aid.
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Any cite to back up this extraordinary statement?
Kendahl:
--- Quote from: BranchMillardian on October 29, 2015, 08:13:33 PM ---I am seriously considering trying to talk my kids into abandoning any notion of attending college.
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You don't have to go that far. Just make sure they realize that, for such a big investment of time, effort and money, they need to major in a field with good employment prospects. A degree in fuzzy studies is ok if you are independently wealthy but not if you will have to earn a living after college.
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: jthhapkido on October 30, 2015, 01:06:15 PM ---That's flatly untrue.
I'm all for the skills and knowledge the rest of your post suggests be taught to children, I'll note.
Any cite to back up this extraordinary statement?
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For the first:
http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm
For the second:
Experience with temp workers who have no work ethics and cannot read or follow simple instructions or do simple math
SemperFiGuy:
--- Quote ---Who here would hire a journeyman plumber/electrician, slash Cisco CCNA in about 15-20 years?
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Given the nature of winters and summers in Omaha, don't forget HVAC technicians.
Plus really good computer tekkies. We wouldn't trade our engineering college computer tekkie for any three university deans, randomly chosen. Or a dozen department chairpersons, so-called in U-speak.
And my six daughters will patronize every nail polisher, hairdresser, haut couteur person they can find. And will do it in a happily chattering group.
sfg
JTH:
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on October 30, 2015, 11:20:11 PM ---For the first:
http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm
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Your original statement was:
"The are no STEM jobs available in the USA for Americans. Those jobs are given to H-1B's specifically because they are cheap labor, almost indentured servants. "
There is absolutely nothing in the link you sent that supports that statement. Matter of fact, it completely refutes your statement as it specifically lists a number of areas in which there is a shortage of STEM workers. And nowhere does it say anything about "H-1Bs" or anything remotely similar other than it mentions that government/defense jobs aren't available for foreign nationals which contributes to an even high shortage of STEM-qualified workers.
So: No. Your statement is flatly untrue.
--- Quote ---For the second:
Experience with temp workers who have no work ethics and cannot read or follow simple instructions or do simple math
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Your original statement was:
"Sad but true: most of the high school and college graduates of the last 30 graduating classes are ill prepared to function without government aid. "
Your support for a generalized statement about over 50% of high school and college graduates from the last 30 years is...
...based on your personal experience with some temp workers.
Right. Okay.
In just the last eight years, over 24 million high school students have graduated in the U.S. I'm thinking your personal experience probably isn't going to be very representative of 12 million of them, not to mention not being representative of all the college graduates from that time frame.
Much less 30 years of such.
So again: No.
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