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Offline m morton

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looks like some iD's are not to standard
« on: December 24, 2015, 02:41:35 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Real-ID-Act/223399421034199?source=whfrt&position=3&trqid=6231948378987468387  may have some trouble flying if you live in these states ... not sure how a state makes a id that is not in compliance but goes ahead and has them printed and sent out ... with out fixing the issue first .. i would say our tax $$ at work but it's not our state .. but ya get my drift
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Re: looks like some iD's are not to standard
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2015, 05:14:42 PM »
Good.   What a pathetic excuse for a state government.   

There's nothing wrong with standardization, quality control and internal production controls of what is the de facto identity document for 99.99% of Americans: drivers' licenses.  If Illinois can't get with the program then they need to feel the heat.  The United States had to use similar tactics with Belgium a few years ago when they wouldn't get their passport program to meet International Civil Aviation Organization standards with regard to internal controls.

The last thing the world needs right now is governments with ID programs that aren't up to snuff.
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Re: looks like some iD's are not to standard
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2015, 06:18:51 PM »
New Mexico will not be recognized because the state issues drivers licences to illegal aliens.
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Re: looks like some iD's are not to standard
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2015, 09:41:50 AM »
The 10th Amendment, 1791, states:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The authorization for the Federal government to dictate state rules governing issuances of Drivers license IDs comes from the 2005 Real ID Act.  About the only political activity NOT exempted from that act  is entering Federal facilities.  All political activities can be done by the residences of those two states with their driver's licenses.   Is that Act another case of elected representatives violating their oaths of office to "uphold and defend the Constitution..." 

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Re: looks like some iD's are not to standard
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2015, 12:02:04 PM »
Is that Act another case of elected representatives violating their oaths of office to "uphold and defend the Constitution..." 

To answer your question in short (without getting into a long discussion of the original debates and discussions even as the Amendment was being drafted) common sense answers with a resounding, "No."  With the drafters' general desire for a "narrow construction", coupled with a equal appreciation of federalism where federalism is due, it is common sense to say that this is an appropriate area of federalism and we benefit from federal standards of driver's license data integrity and document security. 

This might not have passed muster in the early part of the 20th century when a driver's license was just a driver's license.  Today we have over 25,000 commercial flights crisscrossing the skies every day and most of the passengers submit a driver's license as the de facto national ID.   Other countries' citizens use passports in their day-to-day business of opening bank accounts and boarding domestic flights, but Americans don't usually carry or even possess passports; ours is a huge country and most Americans will never even travel outside its borders.

It's actually quite clever to leave the issuance of DLs up to the states, but maintain standards that protect the common interests and security of Americans as a whole.  Illinois will whine and cry about this being an "unfunded mandate" but I have no sympathy with them thinking they're immune from standardization.  I bet I could look at their state budget and find plenty of stupid, feel-good social programs to cut which are of less importance than ID document controls.
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