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Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
tstuart34:
--- Quote from: abbafandr on December 26, 2015, 06:19:28 AM ---When you get an open pistol bay, shoot til you're done.
You bring all of your targets.
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How hard is it to get a bay?
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JTH:
I know some people have already replied, but there were a couple of things I wanted to clarify....
--- Quote from: kracin on December 25, 2015, 09:28:02 AM ---what are the general range rules?
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http://engc.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Safety-Rules-2014.6.23.pdf
--- Quote ---what kind of targets are you allowed to shoot? (steel, any paper is permitted regardless of what the silhouette looks like?, can/reactive?)
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Any paper. Steel targets are allowed on both rifle and pistol ranges AS LONG AS proper safety is followed---i.e., don't put rifle steel at 10 yards. In general, on rifle ranges don't put steel targets closer than 100 yards, and make certain you are using rifle-grade target steel. In the pistol bays, in general (unless you are practicing with SASS pistols and loads) keep your steel targets farther out than 8 yards, preferably 10.
Technically, in the pistol bays you can use pretty much whatever you want as a target, AS LONG AS you pick up after yourself. Don't leave trash and crap lying around. Yes, you can shoot a computer. But not a computer monitor, because one of the few things we won't let you shoot is glass. (For obvious reasons.)
--- Quote ---whats the time between shooting and target placement?
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If you have a pistol bay, you are entirely on your own schedule. On the rifle ranges, it depends on how busy people are. I haven't ever had to wait longer than 20 minutes to be able to set/check targets on a rifle range, though, no matter how busy it was.
--- Quote ---are ground targets allowed? (reactive rollers)
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As has been said, this is a BIG NO. Rounds must impact the berm. Hoping that it will bounce into the berm is not sufficient. Targets must be placed (and in the pistol bays you have to bring your own stands) so that bullets passing through will strike the berm.
To get around this, people occasionally place targets just leaning against the berm several feet up the berm. This is fine, though the targets will obviously be at an angle, which makes them kind of suck. Just bring some target stands. (If you don't own any, look up discount target stands if you want to buy some metal ones, or make your own out of PVC or 2x4s. Instructions for various versions are on the web.)
--- Quote ---homemade targets allowed?
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Sure.
--- Quote ---holster draw practice allowed?
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In the pistol bays, yes. On the rifle range, if you are the only one there, sure. If other people are around on the rifle range, in general we don't do that. (Hard to have a common line that way, but most people don't practice draws to 100 yard shots, so it isn't often an issue.)
--- Quote ---How hard is it to get a bay?
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Depends on when you go to shoot. If you pick a holiday weekend in the summer when the weather is perfect and you go at 2pm, you won't have a chance, because EVERYONE wants to shoot at that time and we don't have unlimited bays.
If you go early in the morning, much better chance. If you go on a weekday instead of a weekend, much better chance.
ENGC is currently building (almost doubling) our number of pistol bays, though they aren't going to be done for awhile. That'll help...
....but we still have over 2000 members. If everyone shows up to shoot, people are going to have to wait.
So: I'd say in the years I've been a member, I've NOT been able to get a bay within 30 minutes about three times. And I go practice a lot. But...I also don't bother going when I know lots of people are going to be on the bays. So....it depends.
--- Quote ---also, with the available targets, it sounds like there are some already placed steel targets in the pistol bays? or are all steel targets something you bring for yourself?
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In the pistol bays, you have to bring your own targets and stands. There are no targets available. (We've tried that before, and idiots shot up the stands, shot the softer pistol steel with rifles, etc. So, those idiots made it so everyone has to bring their own targets AND stands.)
On the rifle ranges, there are a couple of steel gongs at various distances, but they are huge, so you aren't really getting much in the way of practice. There are target boards at various distances for paper targets---bring your own paper. If you want to shoot normal-sized steel on the rifle ranges, bring your own.
This isn't a commercial club, so members are expected to bring their own targets and stands, in general, unless you are putting up paper targets for rifle at specific distances.
--- Quote ---thanks for those who answer, i'd probably get a membership anyway considering there is really no where else to shoot unless you have a friend who owns land where it's permitted outside omaha limits.
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It is a good range. WELL worth the money. (And the cost is incredibly low.)
Be polite, clean up after yourself, make sure the shots go into the berm, and demonstrate firearms safety at all times. Simple stuff!
Silver:
I've been a member with ENGC for 4 or 5 years now and I've really enjoyed it. I simply can't stand firing indoors around people with poor range discipline and bullet fragments coming back at me.
There is a schedule for the range for competitions, sight-ins, and other events. During these events, access to parts of the range can be difficult to access. Since I'm bad at checking the schedule, I always make sure to take both rifles and handguns so if one set of ranges is occupied, I can fire on another. This can obviously be minimized by checking the schedule before heading out to the range. Taking multiple weapons still helps for those times when one set of ranges is full and others are not whether an even is taking place or not.
I typically go at more demanding times, e.g. better weather, weekends, and afternoons. I prefer firing either in the pistol bays or on the 300-yard range and my experience has been the pistol bays can be a tad more difficult to get onto. I've waited a full hour before to get into a pistol bay and there were a couple groups behind me waiting as well. The unfortunate thing about the pistol bays is they're a little spread out so "first come, first serve" can be difficult since there is no sign up sheet nor can you effectively watch all the bays for a departing shooter/group.
That said, I usually can get onto either range with little problem. Based on casual observation, I think the 100 yard range is a tad busier than the 300 and outside of competitions, I rarely see the 600 yard range full. The 100 yard range has a 50 yard berm if I remember correctly. The 300 yard range has 50, 100, 200, and 300 yard berms. I'm not sure what the berm intervals are on the 600 yard range. I've also never fired on the trap range.
All that said. It's a great value and club members are great. For the most part, range discipline among the members is really good overall and waiting for the range to go down so you can set up usually isn't that long. Unless you arrive right when the range went hot and the line is nearly full, most members are going to see you unloading your gear and will take a break in a short bit to set up your targets. If this doesn't happen on it's own, just walk down the line and let the shooters know you're looking to put up targets. Don't be shy. They're not obliged to stop shooting for you but, again, they're good folk and are likely to stop firing in relatively short order.
Just my perception.
skydve76:
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Dakafall:
I really don't have much to add to what's already been said, so I'll just say that I've been a member for 3 years now and have shot competitions there for longer and love it. My only minor complaint is 50 bmg isn't allowed
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