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jonm:
why not run it as an outlaw match vs uspsa multigun so you can use NRA certified ROs like Hornady does or just make a local class to certify ROs like the other major 3 gun matches? is there something specific between ENPS and USPSA?

JTH:

--- Quote from: jonm on February 28, 2016, 02:41:06 PM ---why not run it as an outlaw match vs uspsa multigun so you can use NRA certified ROs like Hornady does or just make a local class to certify ROs like the other major 3 gun matches? is there something specific between ENPS and USPSA?

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The NRA RSO certification basically trains you how to run a common firing line for slow-fire rifle.  It in no way teaches you how to run shooters in any action sport, whether SC, USPSA pistol, or Multigun.  (Speaking as someone who is an NRA RSO.)  Someone who has the NRA RSO certification (only) is not prepared to run shooters.  Flat-out, they just aren't prepared, and they don't know the rules.

(Speaking as someone who was there at the first Zombie Match at Heartland, and who has shot there for other matches---they found out really quickly that being NRA RSOs did not prepare them for action matches.)

As for certifying local ROs with a local curriculum---that is pretty meaningless.  Why would we do it?  If we are using a specific set of rules, why not have people certified on those rules?  Actually learning about how matches are run correctly?  (As opposed to "well, here is how they are run here in this one place, with this one particular set of rules that no one else uses...")

And....also why do that when it would take a day for a certification class of that type when we could instead take the same day for a certification class that has meaning in more places than just-this-one-club-for-just-this-one-match?

I note that the questions I'm responding to aren't anything that would actually solve the real problem, which is straightforward:

People want to shoot MG matches.  But many don't seem to want to help out.  And this is a volunteer sport.  If no one volunteers, the few people who have been running everything will get tired of it, and shift back to offering the sports that people WILL help out with.

We hold an RO class every single year.  It is available to people.  We specifically pick days so that the people who have complained about it being on match days don't have to miss a match.  We advertise it months in advance, so people can arrange to take it.  No matter what particular certification we'd want people to have, they'd still have to take a day for a class.  So we might as well have one that actually means something...so we bring in an official NROI instructor and host one every single year.

...and we have people who complain at matches about how the ROs aren't doing their jobs fast enough, and how they didn't pay a match fee to help set up, and how they are there to shoot not clean up, etc....and I'll note I can name specific names of people who have said that in the hearing of multiple people.

None of us get paid for doing any of this, and the people who run the matches pay match fees also.  We do it because we love shooting, and we want to let everyone have more chances to shoot fun competitions.  And the people who HAVE been doing all the work (and paying match fees also, just like the people who complain all the time) are tired of carrying the weight of all the complainers who show up late, shoot, and then leave without lifting a hand to help the match.

And lo and behold, those complainers don't take the RO class, either.  They want to shoot, but they want everyone else to do the work for them.  They paid their match fee and they are just there to shoot, right?

If folks want MG to continue, they have to step up and help out.

abbafandr:
I'm taking the RO class.  I intend to use for MG as well as the pistol matches.

Designing stages is rather fun.  The first time I designed a stage I didn't go over it with any experienced stage designers... it didn't end up anything like planned :laugh:  But after learning a few basic rules, it has gotten better.  Don't take it personal if the match director or anyone makes suggestions or changes, it will probably happen; the transition from paper to the shooting bay doesn't always go as planned, ask me how I know ::)

I'm designing my first MG stage for the match in March. 

tstuart34:
I designed a stage last year for MG it was a lot of fun a little challenging. I would like to get the bay dimensions so i can be fancy and try and scale things a little better with CAD. haha But over all Tom was a lot of help for me and helped me make a stage that was safe easy to reset and a lot of fun. I shot really well in it surprisingly since i didn't shoot that well over all in the match overall.

Regarding the RO Class.... Am I understanding it correctly that it is a two day class? This and my limited shooting budget would be what keeps me from from taking the RO class. It is hard for me to get a full weekend pass. I will do my best to support MG by coming early to the matches, designing stages, and score keeping during the events.

I sent Tom a e-mail tonight but please let me know if I can help out at all. As of right now I am planning on attending all of the matches.

Just curious besides the match admin participation does ENPS feel that they are getting enough shooters to participate in the match itself?

jonm:
I'm not saying it would fix the problem but it sure can't hurt it. I have no interest in becoming a uspsa member but would be willing to RO multigun. so since I can't RO, I have designed staged, ran the nook, and been there for setup and tear down.

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