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Gun Rhethoric
Lorimor:
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters”
-Daniel Webster
Mntnman:
--- Quote from: greg58 on February 21, 2016, 11:17:18 PM ---
I just yearn for a leader that will follow the Constitution. His name is Ted Cruz!
Greg58
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Actually, his name is Ben Carson. He is the only candidate still in it (for a lil while longer, lol) that is not running for the prestige of the office. He is in it to maintain the integrity of the Constitution. Cruz is no slouch, though.
GreyGeek:
--- Quote from: Mntnman on February 22, 2016, 08:08:37 PM ---Actually, his name is Ben Carson. He is the only candidate still in it (for a lil while longer, lol) that is not running for the prestige of the office. He is in it to maintain the integrity of the Constitution. Cruz is no slouch, though.
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+1
SS_N_NE:
--- Quote from: Lorimor on February 22, 2016, 06:46:06 AM ---I'm not sure what your point is.
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Guess I wanted to open a discussion on the concept of political "CONTROL".
The point is that politicians have no cares for gun control, climate change, immigration, life...or nearly any other controversial subject. All politician care about is money and power (control).
Gun owners are exploited for votes the same as those with concern about crime and fear of guns are exploited for votes. Both sides get tied up in the argument, but never realize that they are simply being exploited for a political agenda. Gun owners don't want their rights taken---exploited. Hoplophobes or at least anyone thinking gun control can have a positive result---exploited.
The point is that there should be more discussion on how the politicians are using citizen concerns to create division by exploiting citizens. Interesting as the concerns may be...it is still more a case of being exploited than any real effort to fix anything. Instead of falling for the rhetoric we should be discussing how politicians are using issues to exploit people. We should be discussing why politicians are pitting citizens against citizens and exploiting national issues with no intentions of fixing anything.
Politicians are so focused on getting to what ever goal they have been assigned (I believe politicians are little more than puppets for greater powers) they threaten and/or create law to create division within the citizenship. The constant chaos allows them to get money from one of the bigger piggy banks in the world to suit a few. Our right to personal defense and pursuit of happiness via our firearm interests are simply tossed about so others can get money or control others (most likely to get more money). Federal or State Constitution mean nothing when politicians can manipulate law and people.
The point is that fighting over 2nd rights is a waste of time and the longer it is fought, the greater the chance of loosing this right. Maybe a better approach is discussing the realization that people are being divided by some sneaky, underhanded...persons.
SS_N_NE:
--- Quote from: greg58 on February 21, 2016, 11:17:18 PM ---If more gun control measures passed, I do not believe that gun owners would become politically apathetic.
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So, if Hillary did manage to invoke a "Australia" type buy out, you don't think there would be a significant lack of interest in firearms. I have seen Obama and Clinton charge the NRA as obstacles to bringing safety to citizens. Of course they failed to acknowledge the NRA is a membership of citizens. Does the NRA represent even 1/10th of the gun owners in the nation? Apathy from the other 90%? How big of an obstacle would a lobby with 100% of the gun owners involved? There would not even be a conversation.
But, the whole point of this post is that it doesn't matter. The politicians don't care. The politicians are simply using the known facts that there are people that want to keep their Rights and there are people that fear or don't care about that right or would even take a Right just for spite. The politicians only know if they can create a fight, suggest they represent a side...they can get a calculated number of votes.
How do you like the idea that your interests and Right are being played with simply to take advantage of the "anti", uninformed, fearful, spiteful, really don't care group...that is calculated to be greater in number and more likely to vote a certain way.
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