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Offline kracin

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Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« on: December 25, 2015, 09:28:02 AM »
so it's actually a good deal it seems to join the eastern nebraska gun club when you look at it that its only 10 a month and you don't pay for time at the range, unlike every other hokey membership to a range where they still charge you for range time in addition to the "membership", like you are going to spend 6 hours in a range spot shooting 1 round per hour or something.

i've been looking on the website, and i can't find anything about the range rules and what you can and cannot do? had a couple questions if anyone is able to answer some about it so i know what i'd be getting into making a 240 payment to get started with them.

what are the general range rules?

what kind of targets are you allowed to shoot? (steel, any paper is permitted regardless of what the silhouette looks like?, can/reactive?)

whats the time between shooting and target placement?

are ground targets allowed? (reactive rollers)

homemade targets allowed?

holster draw practice allowed?



thanks for those who answer, i'd probably get a membership anyway considering there is really no where else to shoot unless you have a friend who owns land where it's permitted outside omaha limits.

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2015, 11:40:13 AM »
what kind of targets are you allowed to shoot? (steel, any paper is permitted regardless of what the silhouette looks like?, can/reactive?)  Any target you want in the pistol bays (no exploding targets), paper (any type) in the rifle/long range ranges

whats the time between shooting and target placement? Not sure what you mean here.  If you mean on the rifle/long range ranges, when everyone is done hanging and back at the shooting line, you're good to go...no specific "time frame"

are ground targets allowed? (reactive rollers) only on the private ranges

homemade targets allowed?  yes

holster draw practice allowed?  Yes, on the private pistol bays.


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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2015, 07:14:37 PM »
No ground targets,  all shots must hit the berm.

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2015, 04:51:36 AM »
thanks for the replies guys.

my question for the time between shooting and target placement is just wondering how much time you should expect to spend at the range between getting there, waiting to place a target, shooting, and then getting a chance to pull your stuff down so you can pack up and go.


also, with the available targets, it sounds like there are some already placed steel targets in the pistol bays? or are all steel targets something you bring for yourself?

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2015, 06:19:28 AM »
When you get an open pistol bay, shoot til you're done.
You bring all of your targets. 

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2015, 08:58:16 AM »
When you get an open pistol bay, shoot til you're done.
You bring all of your targets.
How hard is it to get a bay?

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2015, 10:35:35 AM »
I know some people have already replied, but there were a couple of things I wanted to clarify....

what are the general range rules?
http://engc.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Safety-Rules-2014.6.23.pdf

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what kind of targets are you allowed to shoot? (steel, any paper is permitted regardless of what the silhouette looks like?, can/reactive?)
Any paper.  Steel targets are allowed on both rifle and pistol ranges AS LONG AS proper safety is followed---i.e., don't put rifle steel at 10 yards.  In general, on rifle ranges don't put steel targets closer than 100 yards, and make certain you are using rifle-grade target steel.  In the pistol bays, in general (unless you are practicing with SASS pistols and loads) keep your steel targets farther out than 8 yards, preferably 10.

Technically, in the pistol bays you can use pretty much whatever you want as a target, AS LONG AS you pick up after yourself.  Don't leave trash and crap lying around.  Yes, you can shoot a computer.  But not a computer monitor, because one of the few things we won't let you shoot is glass.  (For obvious reasons.)

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whats the time between shooting and target placement?
If you have a pistol bay, you are entirely on your own schedule.  On the rifle ranges, it depends on how busy people are.  I haven't ever had to wait longer than 20 minutes to be able to set/check targets on a rifle range, though, no matter how busy it was.

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are ground targets allowed? (reactive rollers)
As has been said, this is a BIG NO.  Rounds must impact the berm.  Hoping that it will bounce into the berm is not sufficient.  Targets must be placed (and in the pistol bays you have to bring your own stands) so that bullets passing through will strike the berm. 

To get around this, people occasionally place targets just leaning against the berm several feet up the berm.  This is fine, though the targets will obviously be at an angle, which makes them kind of suck.  Just bring some target stands.  (If you don't own any, look up discount target stands if you want to buy some metal ones, or make your own out of PVC or 2x4s.  Instructions for various versions are on the web.)

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homemade targets allowed?
Sure.

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holster draw practice allowed?
In the pistol bays, yes.  On the rifle range, if you are the only one there, sure.  If other people are around on the rifle range, in general we don't do that.  (Hard to have a common line that way, but most people don't practice draws to 100 yard shots, so it isn't often an issue.)

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How hard is it to get a bay?
Depends on when you go to shoot.  If you pick a holiday weekend in the summer when the weather is perfect and you go at 2pm, you won't have a chance, because EVERYONE wants to shoot at that time and we don't have unlimited bays.

If you go early in the morning, much better chance.  If you go on a weekday instead of a weekend, much better chance.

ENGC is currently building (almost doubling) our number of pistol bays, though they aren't going to be done for awhile.  That'll help...

....but we still have over 2000 members.  If everyone shows up to shoot, people are going to have to wait.

So:  I'd say in the years I've been a member, I've NOT been able to get a bay within 30 minutes about three times.  And I go practice a lot.  But...I also don't bother going when I know lots of people are going to be on the bays.  So....it depends.

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also, with the available targets, it sounds like there are some already placed steel targets in the pistol bays? or are all steel targets something you bring for yourself?
In the pistol bays, you have to bring your own targets and stands.  There are no targets available.  (We've tried that before, and idiots shot up the stands, shot the softer pistol steel with rifles, etc.  So, those idiots made it so everyone has to bring their own targets AND stands.)

On the rifle ranges, there are a couple of steel gongs at various distances, but they are huge, so you aren't really getting much in the way of practice.  There are target boards at various distances for paper targets---bring your own paper.  If you want to shoot normal-sized steel on the rifle ranges, bring your own.

This isn't a commercial club, so members are expected to bring their own targets and stands, in general, unless you are putting up paper targets for rifle at specific distances.

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thanks for those who answer, i'd probably get a membership anyway considering there is really no where else to shoot unless you have a friend who owns land where it's permitted outside omaha limits.
It is a good range.  WELL worth the money.  (And the cost is incredibly low.)

Be polite, clean up after yourself, make sure the shots go into the berm, and demonstrate firearms safety at all times.  Simple stuff!
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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2015, 09:05:42 PM »
I've been a member with ENGC for 4 or 5 years now and I've really enjoyed it.  I simply can't stand firing indoors around people with poor range discipline and bullet fragments coming back at me.

There is a schedule for the range for competitions, sight-ins, and other events.  During these events, access to parts of the range can be difficult to access.  Since I'm bad at checking the schedule, I always make sure to take both rifles and handguns so if one set of ranges is occupied, I can fire on another.  This can obviously be minimized by checking the schedule before heading out to the range.  Taking multiple weapons still helps for those times when one set of ranges is full and others are not whether an even is taking place or not.

I typically go at more demanding times, e.g. better weather, weekends, and afternoons.  I prefer firing either in the pistol bays or on the 300-yard range and my experience has been the pistol bays can be a tad more difficult to get onto.  I've waited a full hour before to get into a pistol bay and there were a couple groups behind me waiting as well.  The unfortunate thing about the pistol bays is they're a little spread out so "first come, first serve" can be difficult since there is no sign up sheet nor can you effectively watch all the bays for a departing shooter/group.

That said, I usually can get onto either range with little problem.  Based on casual observation, I think the 100 yard range is a tad busier than the 300 and outside of competitions, I rarely see the 600 yard range full.  The 100 yard range has a 50 yard berm if I remember correctly.  The 300 yard range has 50, 100, 200, and 300 yard berms.  I'm not sure what the berm intervals are on the 600 yard range.  I've also never fired on the trap range.

All that said.  It's a great value and club members are great.  For the most part, range discipline among the members is really good overall and waiting for the range to go down so you can set up usually isn't that long.  Unless you arrive right when the range went hot and the line is nearly full, most members are going to see you unloading your gear and will take a break in a short bit to set up your targets.  If this doesn't happen on it's own, just walk down the line and let the shooters know you're looking to put up targets.  Don't be shy.  They're not obliged to stop shooting for you but, again, they're good folk and are likely to stop firing in relatively short order.

Just my perception.

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2016, 03:11:37 PM »
I really don't have much to add to what's already been said, so I'll just say that I've been a member for 3 years now and have shot competitions there for longer and love it.  My only minor complaint is 50 bmg isn't allowed

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 07:55:42 PM »
I have a question, I have a 22 rifle. I was wondering if I could shoot the rifle at the pistol range? I also shot handgun

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Re: Considering joining ENGC, where are the range rules?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2016, 06:32:29 AM »
I have a question, I have a 22 rifle. I was wondering if I could shoot the rifle at the pistol range? I also shot handgun

Yep.  The ranges (and bays) aren't gun-specific---as long as the targets are placed such that your rounds are hitting the berm, AND you are using the appropriate/safe firearm for your target choice, you are fine.

(Noting that taking a pistol target and putting it at 10 yards on the 300 meter range isn't against the rules but WOULD be annoying to everyone so I wouldn't suggest you do it...  :) )

Plenty of people shoot rifles (of all sorts of calibers, particularly if they are practicing for Multigun) on the pistol bays.  Nothing wrong with it.

Just remember that the pistol bays are NOT "common firing lines," unlike the rifle ranges.  Whoever is on the bay first has the bay, and IF they don't mind multiple people shooting they can allow it, but they do not have to do so.  So if someone is shooting on bay 5 (nice wide bay) by themselves, and they SEEM to be only using a part of the bay without movement, you can ask them if they mind you sharing the bay---but they don't have to let you, and if they say no (for whatever reason) that is perfectly fine, it is their choice.

Same thing if you are on the bay first.  If someone comes up and wants to shoot on the same bay, you don't have to let them if you don't want to.  (And particularly if how you are practicing means movement, shooting angles, etc, because more than one person shooting at the same time with that probably isn't safe.)  If you want to treat it as a common firing line, you can (allowing other people to shoot at the same time), and if so, follow all the standard common firing line rules. 
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