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Offline smoore

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Why do we have to ask for permission?
« on: September 23, 2016, 03:47:39 PM »
Why, in the 'land of the free' do we have to ask for and receive permission from the government, in the form of a permit/license/what have you, in advance, prior to exercising our 2A right to bear arms?  For which other constitutionally-protected right/s does the government (local, state and/or Federal) require that a citizen gain the government's approval in advance prior to the citizen exercising that right?  Can someone enlighten me?
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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2016, 04:39:45 PM »
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Can someone enlighten me?

Well, I can try to offer some thoughts for your consideration.

There are Smart Folks--elites--who think that you and I cannot run our own lives very well.   Because our everyday lives are messy.   Just read the newpapers; watch the evening news for some insights in this regard.   

These Elites have Better Ideas for us.   Their own ideas.  And for their solutions, read Plato's Republic, about the Philosopher Prince.   Or Machiavelli's The Prince.   BTW:  These Elites are all self-styled Princes.   Like the Clintons, for example.  Or those glittering Folks in entertainment.

The best way to lay these Ideas on us is through centralized government control.  Central government control through government programs.  Do it all at once that way, instead of little by little.  And they want no sass from us, no pushback.   Because we're not all that bright, anyhow.   We are supposed to just lay down, roll over, go patas arriba.  Pay our taxes to bankroll their programs and do what they say.  Sorta like customer service with your cell phone carrier.

Now....let's bring in the 2nd Amendment.   The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting.  Not about hunting at all.  It's about you and me being able to bear arms so that any external foreign government or any overly-Elitist internal government that wants to dominate and enslave us will meet with strong, coordinated armed resistance.

So.......we are faced with a long-term, continuing attempt by the Elites to take away our arms so that we can't offer any resistance.

The Elites are like a great big constricting snake:   Every time we breathe out a bit, they tighten up their coils.

That's about the best that I can attempt to explain what's going on.


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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2016, 08:22:18 PM »
^^^ I like your explanation.

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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 11:06:12 AM »
Here's my take on it:

There are people who have a fundamental drive to dominate other people; these are the most likely among us to seek government office, and once there, they are motivated to concentrate ever more power into their hands.  And no amount of power is ever enough to satisfy them; they always want more.

There are other people who have a fundamental drive to be dominated.  They don't go around saying "I want to be dominated" (except for a few you might see on a daytime television show); they just fear taking responsibility for their own life, and fail to see the essential connection between responsibility and control: who has responsibility has control, because otherwise you have chaos, and the chaos will correct itself by eventually placing control where it belongs.

These two groups are natural allies, and together form what I call the liberal cult in America today (they have gone by many other names throughout history). 

The rest of us don't want to dominate or be dominated and there are more of us than there are of them.  But we are far less politically active, since our live-and-let-live attitude does not lead to an interest in politics.  This is a huge failure on our part (and I'm as guilty as anyone).

This is why historically freedom has been such a rare commodity.  It's why in most cases power over the many is held by the few.  And nowhere is this more evident than in who gets to be armed, since those who are armed have nearly absolute power over those who are not.  This has been true throughout history: if one group of cave men had clubs and the other group did not, it's pretty easy to see which group would have control of the water hole.

And this is why the right to be armed has been relegated to privilege status in our great nation, even though the law makes very clear that it is a right.  It proves the truth in the old saying: the best way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing
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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2016, 04:16:42 PM »
The left believes in a strong top-down government styled like a college campus.  It bases much of its ideology on fear and on the exaltation of the weak or aberrant.  This could not be more evident in how the wealthy are universally maligned while the poor are sympathized with, even if that is due to drug use, criminality, and poor life choices.  Just look at how risky it is under the law to defend yourself with lethal force.  Certain types have the belief that in defending yourself you need to also place a strong emphasis on the safety, happiness, and well-being of your attacker.  Defending your property is not enough, and neither is mere injury; only in fear of your life do these people think you should defend yourself.  And even then they'll declare you trying to be "judge, jury, and executioner."  I remember some years ago in the World Herald there had been a robbery and an off-duty police officer confronted the would-be thief and the thief eventually was shot and, I believe, killed, I believe with the thief's own weapon.  Some bonehead wrote in to complain about the police officer defending himself by shooting the thief with his own gun.  What an idiot!

Part of the far-left's ideology is that we are all the same, or should be, and human nature does not exist, it is merely all social constructs and learning.  In that view people  can be "corrected" and without guns and with strong social programs nobody will hurt each other and everything will be fine and dandy.  It's related to the belief the Soviets had that they could engineer a "new socialist man."

It's less centered on the belief of rights preempting the existence of government and more in belief that rights are something the government allows you to do.  The system as one big happy college administration family.  Hence, that and all other things considered, licenses and the belief in asking permission to defend yourself.

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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 10:41:11 AM »
Thank you all for your thoughtful responses.  It just irks me to no end when I think about having to shell out money, go through 'training', fill out forms, undergo a 'background check', and carry a little card around with me that says the state has 'approved' me to exercise my right to keep and bear arms.

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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 03:56:36 PM »
There is a misconception among us that our elected officials have our best interests at heart when they run for and are elected to office to represent us. I am sure there are a select few that might still have their heart and head in the right place but the great majority of high level politicians are self serving and make very calculated decisions that will further their political careers. The numbers of these type of politicians are growing and unlike the politicians of old, these people don't even try to hide their agendas or lies any more and sadly, the collective is either too distracted or just plain doesn't care so they continue to get elected. 30 years ago Hillary Clinton not only wouldn't have been in the final stages of a presidential race, she would have been indicted and likely faced prison for her actions. Many have come before her and faced severe consequences for much less.

Today, truth is no longer an absolute. It is twisted and stretched to such an extreme and done so with no apologies. In the way of today's political arena, it's merely a game of sherades or 3 card Monty with little or no consequences if and when they do get caught in a lie. To be fair, politicians aren't to blame or at least not solely. We as a nation have allowed this to be and should be ashamed of where we are.

Many nations are simply sitting back waiting patiently because they know we are on a path of destruction at a rapid pace and they relish in the fact that we are doing to ourselves what no other nation could have ever succeeded in doing.

In terms of the original poster''s question, some of the regulations as they relate to the 2nd ammendment were spawned out of a very real public safety issue. In 1934 the GCA  addressed a specific problem in this country that the public demanded be addressed. We can argue the merits of the specifics all day long but in the end, the public generally supported the restrictions created. Since then, a group of people in this country have banded together and have attempted to target firearms because they personally believe them to be menacing to society and have taken every available opportunity to restrict ownership in whatever way necessary up to and including using deception to garner support. Most of what you hear about firearms in the media or when some politician speaks about them is absolute nonsense or at the very least spun to serve an agenda.

Until recently, this has been an effective strategy because the anti-gun crowd has been successful getting their measures passed. Again, the blame for all of this rests solely at the feet of the collective for allowing it to happen. In fairness, our rights don't just disappear over night. It's a classic case of the frog in the boiling pot scenario. If you throw a frog in a boiling pot, he will jump out but if you put him in the pot and slowly turn the heat up he'll eventually succumb to the boiling water. Similarly, our rights have been slowly eroded by greedy political groups serving their own agendas and until recently, no one noticed.

Some say it's too late and I'd say for some states, I'd tend to agree. Those of us that remain free relatively speaking aren't entirely safe. This election is going to be pivotal in terms of our freedoms, especially concerning the second ammendment. The next president already has one supreme court seat to fill and that seat fought long and hard to preserve our constitutional freedoms. There could be three seats coming to replace and a Clinton win could change the way the constitution is interpreted for an entire generation.

I'm praying that common sense prevails over stupidity even though Mr. Trump may not be the best alternative.


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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2016, 12:53:28 AM »
Some states have constitutional carry laws, or in other words, no carry permit needed. Perhaps we could get an organized lobbying campaign going for that in Nebraska?

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Re: Why do we have to ask for permission?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2016, 09:55:57 AM »
There is a misconception among us that our elected officials have our best interests at heart when they run for and are elected to office to represent us. I am sure there are a select few that might still have their heart and head in the right place but the great majority of high level politicians are self serving and make very calculated decisions that will further their political careers. The numbers of these type of politicians are growing and unlike the politicians of old, these people don't even try to hide their agendas or lies any more and sadly, the collective is either too distracted or just plain doesn't care so they continue to get elected. 30 years ago Hillary Clinton not only wouldn't have been in the final stages of a presidential race, she would have been indicted and likely faced prison for her actions. Many have come before her and faced severe consequences for much less.

Today, truth is no longer an absolute. It is twisted and stretched to such an extreme and done so with no apologies. In the way of today's political arena, it's merely a game of sherades or 3 card Monty with little or no consequences if and when they do get caught in a lie. To be fair, politicians aren't to blame or at least not solely. We as a nation have allowed this to be and should be ashamed of where we are.

Many nations are simply sitting back waiting patiently because they know we are on a path of destruction at a rapid pace and they relish in the fact that we are doing to ourselves what no other nation could have ever succeeded in doing.

In terms of the original poster''s question, some of the regulations as they relate to the 2nd ammendment were spawned out of a very real public safety issue. In 1934 the GCA  addressed a specific problem in this country that the public demanded be addressed. We can argue the merits of the specifics all day long but in the end, the public generally supported the restrictions created. Since then, a group of people in this country have banded together and have attempted to target firearms because they personally believe them to be menacing to society and have taken every available opportunity to restrict ownership in whatever way necessary up to and including using deception to garner support. Most of what you hear about firearms in the media or when some politician speaks about them is absolute nonsense or at the very least spun to serve an agenda.

Until recently, this has been an effective strategy because the anti-gun crowd has been successful getting their measures passed. Again, the blame for all of this rests solely at the feet of the collective for allowing it to happen. In fairness, our rights don't just disappear over night. It's a classic case of the frog in the boiling pot scenario. If you throw a frog in a boiling pot, he will jump out but if you put him in the pot and slowly turn the heat up he'll eventually succumb to the boiling water. Similarly, our rights have been slowly eroded by greedy political groups serving their own agendas and until recently, no one noticed.

Some say it's too late and I'd say for some states, I'd tend to agree. Those of us that remain free relatively speaking aren't entirely safe. This election is going to be pivotal in terms of our freedoms, especially concerning the second ammendment. The next president already has one supreme court seat to fill and that seat fought long and hard to preserve our constitutional freedoms. There could be three seats coming to replace and a Clinton win could change the way the constitution is interpreted for an entire generation.

I'm praying that common sense prevails over stupidity even though Mr. Trump may not be the best alternative.

I like the "Frog boiling" analogy, very apropos.