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CCW Holder Convicted of Manslaughter in 2015 Shooting
SemperFiGuy:
Let's See...................
>Last time we looked it up, Nebraska wuz still a Duty-to-Retreat state. If you can safely do so, but then don't, well.........there goes your Right-to-Self-Defense claim in court.
>The Fear-of-Death/Great-Bodily-Harm element was highly questionable in case of the Shooter.
>The Lady just may be some kinda spazz who wanted to see the boys to get into a tussle over her. Maybe not. But could be. At any rate, if she was so scared (FOD/GBH), then she should have called 911 instead of calling the Shooter. Certainly was plenty of time to do so.
>Heck, the Shooter also had plenty of time to call 911. But didn't. And Shooter had no duty to protect the Lady.
>Victim was attempting to enter his own place of residence, according to OWH news account. Nothing wrong there. Initial confrontation was made by Shooter, if the OWH story can be believed.
Well, this one's another example of how not to behave while carrying concealed. Got so many of these bad examples now to use in CC classes. Don't have time to go over them all.
FWIW,
sfg
Kendahl:
This was a case of good intentions but bad execution. Heng's goal was to protect his former girl friend from domestic abuse. The problem was that even the most recent incident was several hours in the past. At the time of the fatal encounter, Lane was simply returning to his apartment. Because the girl friend wasn't in imminent danger, Heng had no right to interfere with him. If anything, Lane was defending himself against Heng. Had Heng overheard Lane beating the girl friend, he would have been justified in kicking in the door and shooting Lane if that's what it took.
Whenever there is a significant possibility that a confrontation could turn violent, it's best to get the police involved as early as possible. Since we are all good guys here, we have nothing that we wouldn't want them to witness. If the bad guy won't behave himself, let him fight the police rather than us. It's their job and, more importantly, they have better legal cover than we do.
I follow a self defense blog written by an Ohio police officer named Greg Ellifritz. I e-mailed him the following question: What would be the response if a woman called 911 and told them, "I just broke up with my boy friend and want to move my stuff out of his place. He has a bad temper and I'm afraid of what he will do if he finds me there. Can you send an officer to watch over me?" Ellifritz's reply was that this is a frequent request that they are more than willing to oblige.
Over the past year, three domestic abuse situations in Omaha have gone bad when friends or relatives of the victim tried to help. An abusive husband was shot to death when he attacked the wife's friend. Two brothers were shot to death when their sister's abuser discovered them helping her move out. The abuser committed suicide after a standoff. The Heng/Lane incident is the third. Each one could have been avoided by getting the police involved at the beginning. They might still have ended with the abuser dead but the helpful friends and relatives would have been spared their grief.
GreyGeek:
Time for a review of basic facts concerning contact with the police:
And a followup PDF by Regent Law Professor James Duane gives viewers startling reasons why they should always exercise their 5th Amendment rights when questioned by government officials. Download his article on the topic at:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1998119
hilowe:
--- Quote from: Kendahl on August 03, 2016, 05:30:47 PM ---Two brothers were shot to death when their sister's abuser discovered them helping her move out. The abuser committed suicide after a standoff.
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Unfortunately, parents of one of the kids on my sons baseball team knew these guys. I don't remember how. This is what kind of woke my wife up to the fact that there are really bad and evil people everywhere.
--- Quote from: GreyGeek on August 03, 2016, 07:49:38 PM ---Time for a review of basic facts concerning contact with the police:
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If I remember right, there's a second part to this video, which was an immediate follow on by a local police officer. That's worth watching as well.
GreyGeek:
The "second part", by a police detective who discusses his techniques to get suspects to confess, begins at the 60% mark.
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