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Marine Pistol Qualification: "Expert"
JTH:
--- Quote from: bullit on August 18, 2016, 05:34:15 AM ---And then you had to really rub it in by shooting in your Jesus sandals ..... ;)
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At least they weren't flip-flops? :)
(I can't stand flip-flops.)
--- Quote from: shooter on August 17, 2016, 09:00:30 PM ---we had to qualify with the 1911, we had flip up targets, basicially a IPSC, target that would stand up. made from some kind of rubber material, when you hit it, the target fell over and another one popped up, they were so old, and had been shot so many times, when the stood up, the top half of the target would fold over, giving you just half to shoot at.
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From what it looks like, the Army folks still have a course of fire like that for pistol qualification. It looks like surprise targets at a variety of distances (some pretty far) so I was thinking "huh, this looks harder!" when I realized that the entire target is considered a "good hit"---and the target is HUGE.
I had wanted to shoot all the versions of qualification courses for all the armed forces, but the "surprise targets at random distances" isn't something I can cobble up in my backyard, so I'm going to have to pass on the Army qual. :)
...wait, just noticed there is an "alternate" course of fire, and I think THAT one I can do...
Standard course: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-23-35/appa.htm
Alternate course: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-23-35/appb.htm
Target: http://www.letargets.com/content/m9-tag-us-dept-defense-m9-25-meter-e-type-silhouette-target.asp
....might have to do that one next. :) (Hm, the night and NBC conditions might be tough, but....)
SemperFiGuy:
My USMC workstation happened to be RangeCo, ServiceBn, CpPendleton, CA.
We ran all the rifle and pistol ranges, infiltration courses, combat towns, yada yada.
All the NCOs' and Officers shirts were dripping w/various levels of rifle and pistol marksmanship medals. The medals had ladder bars hanging down in long rows for each qualification level. These folks had all been selected and placed in one unit for their expertise in shooting. They made up the squads that we sent to Camp Perry and other USMC, interservice, NRA, and civilian competitions.
The Colt M1911 .45ACP was the usual basis for their alibis on a bad shooting day.
They would come into the shooting shack, pull out their .45, shake it vigorously to show how badly it clanked and rattled, and then proclaim:
"You can't hit a G-D thing with this G-D weapon...................."
I've always wondered what alibi was used when the services changed over to the Beretta M9 handgun.
sfg
Mudinyeri:
In the Army, I qualified on pretty much everything that went bang or boom. But then, I ignored the advice to "never volunteer" and volunteered for pretty much every class and TDY offered. As a result, I got to do some pretty cool/fun stuff - extended pistol qualification and testing was a part of that cool stuff.
Thomas, I suspect that, yes, many current and former members of the military have quite a bit of themselves invested in being known as experts with firearms - especially those that have carried firearms on a daily basis and run, perhaps, thousands of rounds downrange on the two-way range. When a civilian - who they most likely assume has never taken incoming fire - suggests that they are not experts, it probably rankles a bit.
They're probably thinking a little bit along the lines of Mike Tyson's famous quotation: "Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face."
Ken, I was among those who hated the 1911 and laid blame on it for a lack of accuracy in my initial handgun qualification. I managed to qualify Expert on the basic qualification course with the 1911 but just barely. I loved everything about the M9 except the initial double action trigger pull on the first round and the fact that you couldn't carry it cocked and locked like you could the 1911. Beyond that, shooting the M9 was like driving a Ferrari after trying to run the same course in a dump truck.
bullit:
--- Quote from: SemperFiGuy on August 18, 2016, 09:03:05 AM ---My USMC workstation happened to be RangeCo, ServiceBn, CpPendleton, CA.
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Didn't you and Maj Gen Pendleton go to MCRD together ? ;)
SemperFiGuy:
--- Quote ---Didn't you and Maj Gen Pendleton go to MCRD together
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Yes...........
But he was just a raw boot kid at the time. Followed me around everywhere. Couldn't get rid of him.
In desperation, shipped him off to OCS.
That finally worked.
sfg
BTW: I taught Toby to shoot the M1911. That's why he fired Expert. You should see me on flintlocks.
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