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Why do we have to ask for permission?
smoore:
Why, in the 'land of the free' do we have to ask for and receive permission from the government, in the form of a permit/license/what have you, in advance, prior to exercising our 2A right to bear arms? For which other constitutionally-protected right/s does the government (local, state and/or Federal) require that a citizen gain the government's approval in advance prior to the citizen exercising that right? Can someone enlighten me?
Scott
SemperFiGuy:
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Well, I can try to offer some thoughts for your consideration.
There are Smart Folks--elites--who think that you and I cannot run our own lives very well. Because our everyday lives are messy. Just read the newpapers; watch the evening news for some insights in this regard.
These Elites have Better Ideas for us. Their own ideas. And for their solutions, read Plato's Republic, about the Philosopher Prince. Or Machiavelli's The Prince. BTW: These Elites are all self-styled Princes. Like the Clintons, for example. Or those glittering Folks in entertainment.
The best way to lay these Ideas on us is through centralized government control. Central government control through government programs. Do it all at once that way, instead of little by little. And they want no sass from us, no pushback. Because we're not all that bright, anyhow. We are supposed to just lay down, roll over, go patas arriba. Pay our taxes to bankroll their programs and do what they say. Sorta like customer service with your cell phone carrier.
Now....let's bring in the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. Not about hunting at all. It's about you and me being able to bear arms so that any external foreign government or any overly-Elitist internal government that wants to dominate and enslave us will meet with strong, coordinated armed resistance.
So.......we are faced with a long-term, continuing attempt by the Elites to take away our arms so that we can't offer any resistance.
The Elites are like a great big constricting snake: Every time we breathe out a bit, they tighten up their coils.
That's about the best that I can attempt to explain what's going on.
sfg
Mark B:
^^^ I like your explanation.
depserv:
Here's my take on it:
There are people who have a fundamental drive to dominate other people; these are the most likely among us to seek government office, and once there, they are motivated to concentrate ever more power into their hands. And no amount of power is ever enough to satisfy them; they always want more.
There are other people who have a fundamental drive to be dominated. They don't go around saying "I want to be dominated" (except for a few you might see on a daytime television show); they just fear taking responsibility for their own life, and fail to see the essential connection between responsibility and control: who has responsibility has control, because otherwise you have chaos, and the chaos will correct itself by eventually placing control where it belongs.
These two groups are natural allies, and together form what I call the liberal cult in America today (they have gone by many other names throughout history).
The rest of us don't want to dominate or be dominated and there are more of us than there are of them. But we are far less politically active, since our live-and-let-live attitude does not lead to an interest in politics. This is a huge failure on our part (and I'm as guilty as anyone).
This is why historically freedom has been such a rare commodity. It's why in most cases power over the many is held by the few. And nowhere is this more evident than in who gets to be armed, since those who are armed have nearly absolute power over those who are not. This has been true throughout history: if one group of cave men had clubs and the other group did not, it's pretty easy to see which group would have control of the water hole.
And this is why the right to be armed has been relegated to privilege status in our great nation, even though the law makes very clear that it is a right. It proves the truth in the old saying: the best way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
RageTherapy:
The left believes in a strong top-down government styled like a college campus. It bases much of its ideology on fear and on the exaltation of the weak or aberrant. This could not be more evident in how the wealthy are universally maligned while the poor are sympathized with, even if that is due to drug use, criminality, and poor life choices. Just look at how risky it is under the law to defend yourself with lethal force. Certain types have the belief that in defending yourself you need to also place a strong emphasis on the safety, happiness, and well-being of your attacker. Defending your property is not enough, and neither is mere injury; only in fear of your life do these people think you should defend yourself. And even then they'll declare you trying to be "judge, jury, and executioner." I remember some years ago in the World Herald there had been a robbery and an off-duty police officer confronted the would-be thief and the thief eventually was shot and, I believe, killed, I believe with the thief's own weapon. Some bonehead wrote in to complain about the police officer defending himself by shooting the thief with his own gun. What an idiot!
Part of the far-left's ideology is that we are all the same, or should be, and human nature does not exist, it is merely all social constructs and learning. In that view people can be "corrected" and without guns and with strong social programs nobody will hurt each other and everything will be fine and dandy. It's related to the belief the Soviets had that they could engineer a "new socialist man."
It's less centered on the belief of rights preempting the existence of government and more in belief that rights are something the government allows you to do. The system as one big happy college administration family. Hence, that and all other things considered, licenses and the belief in asking permission to defend yourself.
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