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BranchMillardian:
Nice, I was hoping this would generate some discussion.


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Most stops are psychological. A combination of fear, shock and pain persuades the bad guy to cease his attack. If that's not enough, stopping him requires physical incapacitation through damage to the central nervous system or through blood loss resulting in loss of consciousness. For me, the one thing in Ellifritz's study that stood out, but may still not be statistically significant, is that failure to incapacitate was noticeably lower with .357 (mag and Sig) than with any of the other handgun calibers. The most popular self defense calibers, 9 mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, were identical. .380 ACP and .38 special aren't far behind. I wonder if .38 special isn't more like .380 than 9 mm.

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Yes, I noticed this too. Specifically with .22, .25 and .32. It would seem we are pretty much on the same page. The reasons these wimpy calibers were so successful probably has to do with the psychological variable...that and it's easier to get multiple accurate hits to key locations on a body quickly. Which just proves out those little nuggets of wisdom;  "have a gun" and "A hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .44".

Oh, and I like .38spl...from yesteryear. I have a load that's still under 20k psi and gets about 875fps using a 158gr LSWC from a 3" barrel. They wimpified the SAAMI spec thanks to all these dainty little metro pocket 38's and 357's around today.


--- Quote from: jthhapkido on November 01, 2016, 12:52:17 PM ---Any particular reason for Stingers?  I'm just curious, since Stingers lose almost all of their velocity advantage out of a short barrel like that.  Penetration is often along the lines of 10" or so, with velocities less 1000 fps.   (As compared to something like the CCI Mini-Mag, which has a very-slightly lower velocity, but gets better penetration, probably due to the slightly heavier bullet.)

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TNOUTDOOR9 - 36gr LRN .22 Mini-mag - Handgun

TNOURDOOR9 - 32gr .22 CCI Stinger - Handgun

Jello tests. Make of them what you will. I too have an aversion to Stingers. I've seen other reports of shallow depth and lack of penetration to vitals.

Full disclosure: We have a couple .22's for target shooting and defense. They are my wife's guns of choice. I was trying for at minimum .380, but anything we tried she just couldn't shoot well. After about a year of looking she finally settled on a Bersa .22 and can put a 10 rd magazine into about a 5-6" group at ten yards. I also picked up a Ruger 10/22 a few years back. I figured a BX-25 magazine and a couple of 10 rd dumps from the Bersa go along way. It's not my first choice though. But they definitely can be effective. Back on the farm dad put his High Standard to good use on more than one occasion on feral dogs and coyotes.

Eventually I would like to see if I can get her a Bersa in .380 and get her running on that.

I keep Mini-mags and 40gr Velocitors around for .22 defense purposes. 

GreyGeek:
With the possible exception of the .50 caliber Desert Eagle, hand guns just make holes.   The cross-sectional area of a .44 is only 4X that of a .22.   So for handguns hole placement is paramount.

Long guns are, of course, in another league because of the bullet velocity combined with mushrooming or tumbling, which turns the maximum amount of kinetic energy into tissue damage via hydrostatic shock.  While mass is important doubling the velocity quadruples the K.E.   
So does a 1 Oz slug (437.5gr) compared to a 129 gr bullet.

I don't carry a 20 ga shotgun in my pant leg because walking like Chester is awkward and dropping your pants would be the only quick way of drawing it.  From my POV it brings much greater firepower to castle defense than any handgun, and 9 buckshot of .25 caliber per round, if one doesn't load a slug, pretty well takes hole placement concern out of the picture.


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JTH:

--- Quote from: GreyGeek on November 04, 2016, 05:56:31 AM ---From my POV it brings much greater firepower to castle defense than any handgun, and 9 buckshot of .25 caliber per round, if one doesn't load a slug, pretty well takes hole placement concern out of the picture.

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Given the lack of spread of shot at inside-the-home distances, I'm not sure that last part works that way...

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