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CCW Dilemma: Saving Someone Else (Like an LEO, for Example)

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JTH:

--- Quote from: Lmbass14 on November 15, 2016, 03:52:07 PM ---I was taught, if it's just a whoopn' you don't draw.

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It is just not that cut-and-dried.

It is certainly true that just because someone is beating someone else, it doesn't mean you CAN automatically respond with lethal force.  But similarly speaking, if someone is beating someone else, it doesn't mean you CAN'T respond with lethal force.

The totality of the situation makes a difference.  Is there a significant disparity of force?  Demonstrated lethal intent?  Lethal ability?  Are the requirements of AOJP met?

In the case of someone beating on a uniformed police officer---are they beating his head into concrete?  Are they attempting to take his weapons?  Is he screaming "I'm gonna kill you pig!" or something similar? 

As people have said, sounds like about as clear-cut a case as possible though, for a third-party intervention:  1) uniformed officer, 2) direct assault on such, 3) direct request for aid from uniformed officer, 4) specified type of aid requested.

Given the situation, even if the police officer had been WRONG about whether or not the requested level of aid was legal, the bystander would be able to argue (successfully, I'll bet) that if they can't believe a police officer in proper use of force for defense purposes, who can they trust?

:)

ILoveCats:
Cop is shouting "Shoot him!" repeatedly while being attacked, and the perp could be reasonably assumed to be within a couple seconds of taking cop's weapon?  Shoot him. Clear cut. No questions. Non-issue.

Although in Nebraska you'd technically have to be politely informing the officer that you're a CHP holder and offering to show him your permit while simultaneously shooting the perp. Precision Response Training gonna have to come up with some sort of drill to teach that.

JTH:

--- Quote from: feralcatkillr on November 16, 2016, 03:00:11 PM ---Precision Response Training gonna have to come up with some sort of drill to teach that.

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I'll see what I can do.  :)

hilowe:
This one seems a little more cut and dried to me. Based on the article I read, the guy pulled the cop out of his car, had him on the ground, and was continuing to beat the cop while on the ground (making me imagine that the guy was holding the cop down like an MMA fighter).


--- Quote ---Shanta Holditch told WZVN that the suspect pulled the deputy out of his car and "just kept beating him and beating him ... throwing him to the ground and punching him in all different directions."
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/15/passerby-shoots-kills-motorist-assaulting-deputy-after-traffic-stop.html

In general, would really depend on the circumstances, and what I knew of the circumstances that led up to it.

GreyGeek:
Just don't hit the LEO!

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