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JTH:
I'm not a fan of carrying tiny guns for concealed carry.  I don't like .25acp, .22LR, .32ACP, or .380 calibers for self-defense.  I think two-shot derringers are indicators of people who don't understand anything about self-defense.  I think a ported subcompact means they've never actually shot it or read anything about round effectiveness.  I think that in this day and age, carrying a revolver as a primary is a poor choice. 

None of that has to do with whether I'm going to tell someone they are doing it wrong, with respect to concealed carry.  Are they following the first rule? 

https://precisionresponse.wordpress.com/2016/12/20/rule-one-of-concealed-carry/

Once they are following the first rule, then some other criteria should be considered.  (To upgrade from "not wrong" to "making advantageous choices.") But....if they've got the First Rule down solid, that puts them WAY ahead of most people.

Do you follow the first rule?

m morton:
i live in west Omaha off 144 th and maple and as i feel very safe where i live and i carry at all times  i don't even walk my dog around the block with out it. not because i am afraid as some would say but because i am not afraid to defend my self ! bad things happen to good people and bad thing happen in good areas . i firmly believe good people can stop bad people and most if not all bad people are cowards and will stop their bad actions as soon as some one stands up to them......... or as the police see every day they run away .

 the first rule of concealed carry is simply:  HAVE A GUN. check

CC:
I don't think you can automatically say something is a poor choice.  I think it is dependent on circumstances. A firearm is a tool and just like any other tools you should pick the best one for the specific job.

Why is my S&W model 327 TRR8 8 shot .357 a poor choice just because it is a revolver?  It only holds one less round than my 9mm Shield but I can shoot it more accurately and it is less likely to jam. In my mind it makes it a good choice. At least when I am wearing the proper attire to conceal it.

When I wear less clothes the Shield is the better choice because it is more easily concealed.

When I get down to a pair of shorts and a t-shirt my Kel-Tec .380 is my choice because I can carry it in my pocket completely concealed.  In a gunfight would it be my first choice?  Of course not, but it is the best choice if it is the only concealable gun I have based on my clothing   

No different than preferring an 8" screwdriver but dealing you need a 2" one because of space limitations.

JTH:

--- Quote from: CC on December 20, 2016, 03:57:15 PM ---I don't think you can automatically say something is a poor choice.
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I think it is quite simple and obvious that certain things are poor choices.

If you are an older female with arthritis, carrying a S&W .44 Magnum revolver is a poor choice.

If you are an adult male of average size, weight, and hand strength who works in a permissive environment, carrying a 2-shot .22LR derringer is a poor choice.

If you are completely new to firearms, a scandium-framed .357 Magnum (like the S&W Model 340 PD) is a poor choice.  (I note that the 340 PD is a great gun, and I want one....and I don't even like revolvers.  This doesn't change the fact that in that situation, it is a poor choice.)

Plenty of things are poor choices.

That was separate from the actual point of the article, though, I'll note.


--- Quote ---I think it is dependent on circumstances. A firearm is a tool and just like any other tools you should pick the best one for the specific job.
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Exactly.  That's why sometimes it is obvious that people are making poor choices.

Very often, people make choices that are obviously not good ones for that set of circumstances, when they could have made other choices instead.

But like I said, that wasn't actually the point of this article.   It will come up in the third in the series, though, because lots of people get emotionally attached to their poor choices, and defend them strongly, even though their defense normally comes down to some variation of "but I like it better" instead of "but I shoot it better."

(Often they don't actually have any idea if they would have shot something else better, because they never actually tried anything other than what they are emotionally invested in, so their contention of "but I shoot it better" isn't really much of an argument.)

When I post that article, I'll look forward to talking with you about why I think particular choices are poor ones.  :)


--- Quote ---Why is my S&W model 327 TRR8 8 shot .357 a poor choice just because it is a revolver?  It only holds one less round than my 9mm Shield but I can shoot it more accurately and it is less likely to jam. In my mind it makes it a good choice. At least when I am wearing the proper attire to conceal it.
--- End quote ---

Are you sure you want to compare a 35 oz, 10.5" long revolver to a single-stack subcompact?  Because if you want to argue against a strawman (comparing a full-size revolver with a 5" barrel against a single-stack subcompact auto when there is nothing remotely similar about them) you certainly can, but it won't convince anyone.

A more reasonable comparison would be with something like a G17....or, amusingly enough, even a Glock 34, since that particular long-slide full-size semi-auto pistol is still 1.75 inches shorter than your revolver, even though the semi-auto has a longer barrel.  And the G34 only weighs 26 ounces---matter of fact, fully loaded with its 17+1 rounds, it is STILL lighter than your revolver when your revolver is UNloaded.

So....a Glock 34 is narrower, shorter, lighter, and has 225% of the capacity of your revolver.  And probably has a lighter/shorter trigger, since while S&W's custom shop can do fantastic things, it is still a revolver with a double-action pull that needs to be able to reliably light off all types of primers.

But....you were comparing your revolver to a singlestack subcompact?  And saying it was obviously a good choice?


Anyway----that's an argument for the third article in the series.  This first one, is all about rule one.  So the question is, are people following Rule One of Concealed Carry, or are they failing that part of the test?

CC:
You made the statement "  I think that in this day and age, carrying a revolver as a primary is a poor choice." so my point that a revolver is not always a poor choice since I addresses your comment.   You didn't say why the revolver I described was a poor choice if I want to carry it?  Sure it is heavier and bigger than a subcompact but does that make it a poor choice?  It is only a poor choice if because of its weight and size I don't carry it. If I don't mind that and want to carry it it is a great defensive weapon.

And the examples you gave are poor choices, but you only focused on the gun initially which is what I was addressing. Your examples basically illustrated what I said, you have to fit the gun to the situation. The gun alone, generally is not the poor choice.  The poor choice is not selecting the proper tool.

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