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First Rule of Concealed Carry
Lmbass14:
JTH:
--- Quote from: CC on December 21, 2016, 06:11:37 AM ---You made the statement " I think that in this day and age, carrying a revolver as a primary is a poor choice." so my point that a revolver is not always a poor choice since I addresses your comment.
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You attempted to argue it was a "good choice" by comparing it to a gun that in no way resembles it.
Comparing a 10.5", 35oz revolver to a subcompact singlestack makes no sense.
In this day and age, if you are carrying a 10.5", 35oz gun as your concealed carry, you are making a poor choice. Not because it is huge (which it is), but because if you can carry a gun that huge, you could instead actually carry one that is lighter, has more than twice the capacity, and is easier to shoot well.
In this day and age, I think carrying a revolver IS a poor choice. There are choices that are even worse, that's true. Open carrying an LCP in a OWB holster, for example. (Cue the angry LCP fans who don't understand the particular niche in which the LCP fits very well, which is not OWB open carry.)
If you are carrying---great. You are following the most important rule of self-defense with respect to concealed carry. The other rules aren't nearly as important. AND, since you can defend yourself in many situations with even a single-shot .22LR, your choice of gun (as long as it can go bang at least once) is much less important than rule one. (That's why "equipment choice" is third on the priority list, and I haven't even finishing writing THAT article yet.)
None of which changed the fact that your comparison was silly, if you wanted to use it to convince anyone.
--- Quote --- You didn't say why the revolver I described was a poor choice if I want to carry it? Sure it is heavier and bigger than a subcompact but does that make it a poor choice? It is only a poor choice if because of its weight and size I don't carry it. If I don't mind that and want to carry it it is a great defensive weapon.
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So, you are ignoring the part where I showed that if you have no problem carrying a gun that size, you could instead carry a gun than is lighter, slightly smaller, holds 225% as much ammunition, and is easier to shoot well?
Especially given the current increasing numbers (and rates) of multiple-attacker self-defense situations?
If you "don't mind that and want to carry it" then perhaps you should choose a gun that can do a better job for you? If you don't mind a large heavy gun, there are a range of guns you could chose, most of which are lighter, higher capacity, and easier to shoot well.
Do you like having lower capacity and a gun that is harder to shoot well at speed? Do you feel a need to handicap yourself with respect to your ability to respond with lethal force in a wide variety of self-defense situations if necessary?
Given that situation, it IS a poor choice compared to many others. This, of course, is separate from whether or not I will say you are wrong. (But you'd have to read the article to understand what I mean.)
--- Quote ---And the examples you gave are poor choices, but you only focused on the gun initially which is what I was addressing. Your examples basically illustrated what I said, you have to fit the gun to the situation. The gun alone, generally is not the poor choice. The poor choice is not selecting the proper tool.
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Since the gun IS the tool, "not selecting the proper tool" means "not selecting the proper gun" which is another way of saying "the gun was a poor choice."
The gun, alone, is OFTEN the poor choice. That doesn't mean it is the only poor choice---many people who make poor choices in guns also make poor choices in holsters, carry modes, training choices, and self-discipline in terms of personal interaction.
Many of those poor choices are because those people simply don't know any better. Many gun owners don't research the reality of violence and self-defense before buying a gun and its related equipment for carry, so this isn't a surprise. They listen to other people who don't know what they are talking about, and they make poor choices because they simply don't know any better than to rely on people who have opinions based on their own emotional investments.
However, there are also many, many people out there who make poor choices because they are so emotionally invested in their current choice that they will defend their poor choices even in the face of obvious factual examples to the contrary.
.....none of which addresses the point of the article itself. It interests me that some people (this isn't directly solely at CC, because I've gotten a couple of other comments elsewhere) are so emotionally invested in their weapon-of-choice that they take one sentence out of an article on a particular topic, and write responses as if that was the topic---when the topic itself even says clearly that if you follow rule one, I won't tell you that you are wrong about your gun choice.
But....I'm not sure those people even READ the article, because they are solely arguing with me about one sentence in a paragraph I wrote as an introduction to a link to an article.
I'm curious: CC, did you read the article? Or are you just responding to that one single sentence from my initial post? (And not understanding the difference between "doing it wrong" and "making a poor choice"?)
Wildgoose:
I defiantly always follow rule one. Heck I carry when I am working in my garage or mowing the lawn. However I don't always carry the same gun. Like CC I have different guns and calibers depending on the circumstances and wardrobe requirements. My wife on the other hand carries a revolver due to the fact that she simply dose not have the hand strength to reliably operate the slides on them. I am looking forward to further discussion and following articles.
CC:
--- Quote from: Lmbass14 on December 21, 2016, 08:21:37 AM ---
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. What I am responding to is mostly the tone of your post. What is right is somewhat subjective. We can agree on situations where the person is not making the best choice, but it is also an individual preference that neither you or I get to decide for them.
If I choose to carry a revolver and it meets my needs then there may be other choices, but it is the choice for me. Tell the SWAT team that decided to use the TRR8 over a semi-automatic pistol they are wrong or making a poor choice. They decided that the revolver was a better choice in their situation, but based on your comments they are making a poor choice.
Final point. You carry legally what you want to carry and I will do the same without telling you you're making a poor choice.
JTH:
--- Quote from: CC on December 21, 2016, 12:47:23 PM ---. What I am responding to is mostly the tone of your post. What is right is somewhat subjective. We can agree on situations where the person is not making the best choice, but it is also an individual preference that neither you or I get to decide for them.
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.....you are arguing with me about what I because you didn't like the words I chose, as opposed to having a problem with the meaning? And are you aware that in your second sentence, you yourself say that sometimes the person "is not making the best choice"....which is what I said?
I never said I got to decide for anyone. (Though I'll note, this makes it MUCH more obvious that you didn't read the article.) As such, arguing with me because you are angry about that doesn't make much sense...
--- Quote ---If I choose to carry a revolver and it meets my needs then there may be other choices, but it is the choice for me.
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This doesn't make it a good choice, and certainly not an optimal one.
I note that you are ignoring what I said about choices.
--- Quote ---Tell the SWAT team that decided to use the TRR8 over a semi-automatic pistol they are wrong or making a poor choice. They decided that the revolver was a better choice in their situation, but based on your comments they are making a poor choice.
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What SWAT team is doing this? (Note: If you don't know of one, then it isn't much of an argument.)
--- Quote ---Final point. You carry legally what you want to carry and I will do the same without telling you you're making a poor choice.
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Okay. Personally, I think that getting information out there so that people can make better choices is kind of important.
...and you know that your choice is poor, because you are carefully ignoring what I said regarding better choices. This doesn't mean you can't do whatever you like. It is your life, your person, and your self-defense choices. You can do whatever you like, up to and including carrying a 44 Magnum Revolver with an optic and a 10" barrel, loaded with alternating MagSafe and Black Rhino Teflon-Coated Spinning Wheels O' Death brand bullets out of a SERPA OWB holster carried in a small-of-the-back position.
That's obviously a poor choice. (Actually, it is a huge steaming pile of poor choices.) But hey, if That Guy is actually following Rule One, good on him.
As I said in the first post (and very clearly in the article itself): "None of that has to do with whether I'm going to tell someone they are doing it wrong, with respect to concealed carry. Are they following the first rule?"
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