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Fighting words
« on: February 18, 2017, 10:43:39 AM »
Can anyone tell me the general outline of Fighting Words law in Nebraska? Is a verbal attack with fighting words considered assault? Is it a mitigant in your favor if you punch the mouthy attacker? Neither? Something else? Can you only respond with like force, (yomamma!)? Not at all?
I'm not talking about going nuclear by drawing a gun, nunchuka, mace, etc., or taking the guy to the ground and continuing to punish him. I get, (and agree!) that is going too far. I'm thinking more along the lines of the video of John Glenn punching the Moon-landing denier from a couple years ago.
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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2017, 11:07:53 AM »
Here's Sumthin' for Starters:
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28-1322.
Disturbing the peace; penalty.


(1) Any person who shall intentionally disturb the peace and quiet of any person, family, or neighborhood commits the offense of disturbing the peace.

(2) Disturbing the peace is a Class III misdemeanor.
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    Laws 1977, LB 38, § 306.

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    The State cannot constitutionally criminalize speech under this section solely because it inflicts emotional injury, annoys, offends, or angers another person. But speech can be criminalized under this section if it tends to or is likely to provoke violent reaction. State v. Drahota, 280 Neb. 627, 788 N.W.2d 796 (2010).

    Under subsection (1) of this section, the definition of breach of the peace is broad enough to include the offense of disturbing the peace; it signifies the offense of disturbing the public peace or tranquility enjoyed by citizens of a community. The term "breach of the peace" is generic and includes all violations of public peace, order, or decorum, or acts tending to the disturbance thereof. Provocative language consisting of profane, indecent, or abusive remarks directed to the person of the hearer may amount to a breach of the peace, and such language constitutes "fighting" words [emphasis added], which are not constitutionally protected forms of speech. State v. Broadstone, 233 Neb. 595, 447 N.W.2d 30 (1989).

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Now..
Nebraska is a "Duty to Retreat" state. 


So...
The appropriate proper and legal response to fighting words is to........Retreat.   Turn around.   Walk away.

By not retreating, the actor thereby gives up any claim of self-defense which might otherwise be associated with subsequent actions.

Any physical or oral response could readily lead to felony charges of assault or terroristic threats.

Turn around, walk away.   It's not cowardice.

It's the Required, State-Mandated Response in Nebraska.

If you are pursued and physically attacked while retreating, then that's a Whole New Ballgame with Whole New and Different Rules which apply.


FWIW,

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 12:25:13 PM »
EXCELLENT answer. Thank you.

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 01:08:48 PM »
Now If............

Someone is ragging on you or orally bugging you, especially if it's recurring, you definitely have recourse through calling 911 and making a disturbance of peace complaint.   Let the LEO handle it.   

Helps if you have witnesses.

And if it's sufficiently aggressive on the part of the person bugging you, it could rise to the level of assault and/or terroristic threats, which are felonies and therefore fairly serious charges.   Keep mouth shut, feet moving.

It's never good to respond.   By doing even the smallest thing, you can reduce your own level of innocence or even be counter-charged with a crime.   This situation always calls for getting away from the place of action and chatting up the 911 operator.

However, should you be pursued, then your right to self-defense kicks in.

If you want those rules, please say so.


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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 01:15:19 PM »
I'd like to know more.

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 01:30:58 PM »
OK

Let's review the applicable statute on Assault in the Third Degree (least serious assault situation)
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28-310.
Assault in the third degree; penalty.


(1) A person commits the offense of assault in the third degree if he:

(a) Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another person; or

(b) Threatens another in a menacing manner.

(2) Assault in the third degree shall be a Class I misdemeanor unless committed in a fight or scuffle entered into by mutual consent, in which case it shall be a Class II misdemeanor.
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1(b) above indicates why you don't want to  "sass back".   By doing so, the victim is now committing Third Degree assault on the perpetrator.   Equally guilty.

Now........suppose you are chased and grabbed and/or hit, shoved, touched while retreating.

Now your right to personal self-defence kicks in, including the possibility of using lethal force.



Here are some annotations to 28-310 which help clarify some things:   (especially note #6, below)/b]

1. Bodily injury

Bodily injury may be inferred from evidence that defendant intentionally struck the victim, even though the victim testified that blow did not cause physical pain. State v. Waltrip, 240 Neb. 888, 484 N.W.2d 831 (1992).

This section does not require proof of serious bodily injury. Proof of facts from which bodily injury may be inferred is sufficient. State v. Goodon, 219 Neb. 186, 361 N.W.2d 537 (1985).

2. Constitutionality

This is a serious offense for which a jury trial is constitutionally required, unless expressly and intelligently waived by the defendant. State v. Lafler, 224 Neb. 613, 399 N.W.2d 808 (1987).

Statute neither unconstitutionally vague nor overbroad. In re Interest of Siebert, 223 Neb. 454, 390 N.W.2d 522 (1986).

3. Generally

A violation of subsection (1)(b) of this section requires an intentional act, and it is error to give an instruction using the lesser standards of culpability in subsection (1)(a), "knowingly" and "recklessly". State v. Cebuhar, 252 Neb. 796, 567 N.W.2d 129 (1997).

Adult bodybuilder who dunked 9-year-old boy's head into urinal could be convicted of third degree assault under this section. State v. Gray, 239 Neb. 1024, 479 N.W.2d 796 (1992).

Whether physical act committed by person responsible for care and supervision of minor is justifiable act or unlawful assault is fact question. State v. Miner, 216 Neb. 309, 343 N.W.2d 899 (1984).

4. Lesser-included offense

Third degree assault under subsection (1)(b) of this section is not a lesser-included offense of terroristic threats under subsection (1)(a) of section 28-311.01. State v. Smith, 267 Neb. 917, 678 N.W.2d 733 (2004).

Assuming that third degree assault under this section may, under certain circumstances, be a lesser-included offense of third degree assault on a peace officer under section 28-931, it is not prejudicial error to fail to instruct upon a lesser-included offense when the evidence entirely fails to show an offense of a lesser degree than that charged in the information. State v. Taylor, 262 Neb. 639, 634 N.W.2d 744 (2001).

One of the forms of third degree assault, intentionally or knowingly causing bodily injury to another person, is a lesser-included offense of first degree assault. State v. Pribil, 224 Neb. 28, 395 N.W.2d 543 (1986).

Third degree assault is a lesser-included offense of assault by a confined person, because the elements of the two offenses are identical, except that the greater offense, assault by a confined person, requires the assault to be committed by someone who is legally confined. State v. McKay, 15 Neb. App. 169, 723 N.W.2d 644 (2006).

5. Mutual consent

The language of subsection (2) of this section requires mutual consent for a fight or scuffle in order to render an assault a Class II misdemeanor. State v. Schroder, 218 Neb. 860, 359 N.W.2d 799 (1984).

When there is a factual question concerning a charge of third degree assault by mutual consent, the state of mind of the "victim" is an issue, and testimony regarding state of mind is then relevant. State v. Farr, 1 Neb. App. 272, 493 N.W.2d 638 (1992).

6. Recklessly

The pointing of a gun at another is a reckless act within the contemplation of subsection (1)(a) of this section. State v. Bachkora, 229 Neb. 421, 427 N.W.2d 71 (1988).

7. Requisite mental state

The intent required under subsection (1) of this section relates to the assault, not to the injury which results. State v. Williams, 243 Neb. 959, 503 N.W.2d 561 (1993).

When there is a factual question concerning a charge of third degree assault by mutual consent, the state of mind of the "victim" is an issue, and testimony regarding state of mind is then relevant. State v. Farr, 1 Neb. App. 272, 493 N.W.2d 638 (1992).

8. Sentencing

The sentencing court did not abuse its discretion by sentencing defendant to a six-month term for a third degree assault and a four-month term for a second degree assault arising out of the same incident. Both sentences were within the statutory limits set for Class III felonies and Class II misdemeanors, respectively. The third degree assault involved an aggravating factor. State v. Hatwan, 208 Neb. 450, 303 N.W.2d 779 (1981).

9. Double jeopardy

In applying Blockburger v. United States, 284 U.S. 299, 52 S. Ct. 180, 76 L. Ed. 2d 306 (1932), to separately codified criminal statutes which may be violated in alternative ways, only the elements charged in the case at hand should be compared in determining whether the offenses under consideration are separate or the same for purposes of double jeopardy. State v. Winkler, 266 Neb. 155, 663 N.W.2d 102 (2003).

Third degree assault and the making of terroristic threats are separate offenses for the purpose of double jeopardy. State v. Winkler, 266 Neb. 155, 663 N.W.2d 102 (2003).

10. Penalty

This section creates one offense of third degree assault, punishable by two different ranges of penalties depending on whether the assault was committed in a fight or scuffle entered into by mutual consent. Whether a fight or scuffle entered into by mutual consent occurred is not an element of the offense of third degree assault. Rather, it is a mitigating factor, the existence of which determines which of the two penalties is to be imposed—whether the defendant will receive a lesser penalty instead of the ordinary penalty. Whether a fight or scuffle was entered into by mutual consent is not a factual issue that must be submitted to a jury. State v. Stahla, 13 Neb. App. 79, 688 N.W.2d 641 (2004).

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 03:54:45 PM »
OK

Let's review the applicable statute on Assault in the Third Degree (least serious assault situation)
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28-310.
Assault in the third degree; penalty.


(1) A person commits the offense of assault in the third degree if he:

(a) Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another person; or

(b) Threatens another in a menacing manner.

(2) Assault in the third degree shall be a Class I misdemeanor unless committed in a fight or scuffle entered into by mutual consent, in which case it shall be a Class II misdemeanor.
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1(b) above indicates why you don't want to  "sass back".   By doing so, the victim is now committing Third Degree assault on the perpetrator.   Equally guilty.

Now........suppose you are chased and grabbed and/or hit, shoved, touched while retreating.

Now your right to personal self-defence kicks in, including the possibility of using lethal force.



Here are some annotations to 28-310 which help clarify some things:   (especially note #6, below)/b]

1. Bodily injury

Bodily injury may be inferred from evidence that defendant intentionally struck the victim, even though the victim testified that blow did not cause physical pain. State v. Waltrip, 240 Neb. 888, 484 N.W.2d 831 (1992).

This section does not require proof of serious bodily injury. Proof of facts from which bodily injury may be inferred is sufficient. State v. Goodon, 219 Neb. 186, 361 N.W.2d 537 (1985).

2. Constitutionality

This is a serious offense for which a jury trial is constitutionally required, unless expressly and intelligently waived by the defendant. State v. Lafler, 224 Neb. 613, 399 N.W.2d 808 (1987).

Statute neither unconstitutionally vague nor overbroad. In re Interest of Siebert, 223 Neb. 454, 390 N.W.2d 522 (1986).

3. Generally

A violation of subsection (1)(b) of this section requires an intentional act, and it is error to give an instruction using the lesser standards of culpability in subsection (1)(a), "knowingly" and "recklessly". State v. Cebuhar, 252 Neb. 796, 567 N.W.2d 129 (1997).

Adult bodybuilder who dunked 9-year-old boy's head into urinal could be convicted of third degree assault under this section. State v. Gray, 239 Neb. 1024, 479 N.W.2d 796 (1992).

Whether physical act committed by person responsible for care and supervision of minor is justifiable act or unlawful assault is fact question. State v. Miner, 216 Neb. 309, 343 N.W.2d 899 (1984).

4. Lesser-included offense

Third degree assault under subsection (1)(b) of this section is not a lesser-included offense of terroristic threats under subsection (1)(a) of section 28-311.01. State v. Smith, 267 Neb. 917, 678 N.W.2d 733 (2004).

Assuming that third degree assault under this section may, under certain circumstances, be a lesser-included offense of third degree assault on a peace officer under section 28-931, it is not prejudicial error to fail to instruct upon a lesser-included offense when the evidence entirely fails to show an offense of a lesser degree than that charged in the information. State v. Taylor, 262 Neb. 639, 634 N.W.2d 744 (2001).

One of the forms of third degree assault, intentionally or knowingly causing bodily injury to another person, is a lesser-included offense of first degree assault. State v. Pribil, 224 Neb. 28, 395 N.W.2d 543 (1986).

Third degree assault is a lesser-included offense of assault by a confined person, because the elements of the two offenses are identical, except that the greater offense, assault by a confined person, requires the assault to be committed by someone who is legally confined. State v. McKay, 15 Neb. App. 169, 723 N.W.2d 644 (2006).

5. Mutual consent

The language of subsection (2) of this section requires mutual consent for a fight or scuffle in order to render an assault a Class II misdemeanor. State v. Schroder, 218 Neb. 860, 359 N.W.2d 799 (1984).

When there is a factual question concerning a charge of third degree assault by mutual consent, the state of mind of the "victim" is an issue, and testimony regarding state of mind is then relevant. State v. Farr, 1 Neb. App. 272, 493 N.W.2d 638 (1992).

6. Recklessly

The pointing of a gun at another is a reckless act within the contemplation of subsection (1)(a) of this section. State v. Bachkora, 229 Neb. 421, 427 N.W.2d 71 (1988).

7. Requisite mental state

The intent required under subsection (1) of this section relates to the assault, not to the injury which results. State v. Williams, 243 Neb. 959, 503 N.W.2d 561 (1993).

When there is a factual question concerning a charge of third degree assault by mutual consent, the state of mind of the "victim" is an issue, and testimony regarding state of mind is then relevant. State v. Farr, 1 Neb. App. 272, 493 N.W.2d 638 (1992).

8. Sentencing

The sentencing court did not abuse its discretion by sentencing defendant to a six-month term for a third degree assault and a four-month term for a second degree assault arising out of the same incident. Both sentences were within the statutory limits set for Class III felonies and Class II misdemeanors, respectively. The third degree assault involved an aggravating factor. State v. Hatwan, 208 Neb. 450, 303 N.W.2d 779 (1981).

9. Double jeopardy

In applying Blockburger v. United States, 284 U.S. 299, 52 S. Ct. 180, 76 L. Ed. 2d 306 (1932), to separately codified criminal statutes which may be violated in alternative ways, only the elements charged in the case at hand should be compared in determining whether the offenses under consideration are separate or the same for purposes of double jeopardy. State v. Winkler, 266 Neb. 155, 663 N.W.2d 102 (2003).

Third degree assault and the making of terroristic threats are separate offenses for the purpose of double jeopardy. State v. Winkler, 266 Neb. 155, 663 N.W.2d 102 (2003).

10. Penalty

This section creates one offense of third degree assault, punishable by two different ranges of penalties depending on whether the assault was committed in a fight or scuffle entered into by mutual consent. Whether a fight or scuffle entered into by mutual consent occurred is not an element of the offense of third degree assault. Rather, it is a mitigating factor, the existence of which determines which of the two penalties is to be imposed—whether the defendant will receive a lesser penalty instead of the ordinary penalty. Whether a fight or scuffle was entered into by mutual consent is not a factual issue that must be submitted to a jury. State v. Stahla, 13 Neb. App. 79, 688 N.W.2d 641 (2004).


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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 06:07:40 PM »
"But speech can be criminalized under this section if it tends to or is likely to provoke violent reaction"

So, a "triggered" SJW can claim your words provoked him/her and therefore you are the criminal?

That's sets the bar extremely low.  Perhaps that's where the word "triggered" came from.  Clever leftist lawyers?

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2017, 08:07:49 PM »
"But speech can be criminalized under this section if it tends to or is likely to provoke violent reaction"

So, a "triggered" SJW can claim your words provoked him/her and therefore you are the criminal?

That's sets the bar extremely low.  Perhaps that's where the word "triggered" came from.  Clever leftist lawyers?

I would guess that the "Reasonable Man" standard would come to bear in this example, at least in court. If you are dealing with HR or the educational system, all bets are off.

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 09:47:12 PM »
But Wait, There's More:

NineRing57 seemed to be getting at the issue of (a) then just when may legal force be used by the victim and (b) exactly how much?

Here 'tis:

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28-1409.
Use of force in self-protection.


(1) Subject to the provisions of this section and of section 28-1414, the use of force upon or toward another person is justifiable when the actor believes that such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself against the use of unlawful force by such other person on the present occasion.

(2) The use of such force is not justifiable under this section to resist an arrest which the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, although the arrest is unlawful.

(3) The use of such force is not justifiable under this section to resist force used by the occupier or possessor of property or by another person on his behalf, where the actor knows that the person using the force is doing so under a claim of right to protect the property, except that this limitation shall not apply if:

    (a) The actor is a public officer acting in the performance of his duties or a person lawfully assisting him therein or a person making or assisting in a lawful arrest;

    (b) The actor has been unlawfully dispossessed of the property and is making a reentry or recapture justified by section 28-1411; or

    (c) The actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily harm.

(4) The use of deadly force shall not be justifiable under this section unless the actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily harm, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat, nor is it justifiable if:

    (a) The actor, with the purpose of causing death or serious bodily harm, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or

    (b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that:

               (i) The actor shall not be obliged to retreat from his dwelling or place of work, unless he was the initial aggressor or is assailed in his place of work by another person whose place of work the actor knows it to be; and

               (ii) A public officer justified in using force in the performance of his duties or a person justified in using force in his assistance or a person justified in using force in making an arrest or preventing an escape shall not be obliged to desist from efforts to perform such duty, effect such arrest or prevent such escape because of resistance or threatened resistance by or on behalf of the person against whom such action is directed.

(5) Except as required by subsections (3) and (4) of this section, a person employing protective force may estimate the necessity thereof under the circumstances as he believes them to be when the force is used, without retreating, surrendering possession, doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do, or abstaining from any lawful action.

(6) The justification afforded by this section extends to the use of confinement as protective force only if the actor takes all reasonable measures to terminate the confinement as soon as he knows that he safely can do so, unless the person confined has been arrested on a charge of crime.
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One More Time:
 
When confronted by an aggressor and there's any opportunity to safely get away from the situation,

TAKE IT!!!


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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2017, 10:47:45 AM »
Thanks for the responses! As usual, theres 's more to consider than first meets the eye. I particularly appreciate the legal sources. I'll read through this a bit more carefully and may have more questions later. Looks like the short version is that the defender needs to be able to convince a judge/jury that a PHYSICAL assault was iminent or in progress and escape was not practical.  Sticks and stones... etc.  Thanks again.

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 03:57:53 PM »
A pleasure.

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 07:15:48 PM »
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it the "fighting words" exception to free speech is very narrow and may not even survive scrutiny. Check out "Trope Seven":

https://www.popehat.com/2015/05/19/how-to-spot-and-critique-censorship-tropes-in-the-medias-coverage-of-free-speech-controversies/

More details from the invaluable Foundation for Individual Rights in Education:

https://www.thefire.org/misconceptions-about-the-fighting-words-exception/

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Re: Fighting words
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2017, 08:37:42 AM »
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Thanks for those postings and the excellent spreadout of free speech issues and the attacks contained therein.

Another creeping insinuation on free speech is the rising use of "terroristic threats" charges against heated speech.  Once upon a time terroristic threats had to do with phone calls about bombs on airliners or in schools, public buildings, crowded malls, whatever.   Real terror.

The situation has now degenerated to the point that T-Threat charges are used in domestic disturbance and ordinary fistfight events.   As felonies.  Prosecutors like the T-Threat statutes because they can charge the felony, then get the victim to plead down to a misdemeanor disturbing-the-peace charge, thereby getting the conviction without a time-consuming trial.

Which is another sound argument for walking away from a confrontation without comment.


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