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Utah lowers conceal carry age to 18
Les:
--- Quote from: Greybeard on March 29, 2017, 10:00:16 AM ---At the risk of displaying my ignorance and destroying any credibility i might have had within this august body, I will offer up an opinion. Mntnman hit on what I believe to be a very solid point, that being that are a good many lethal items that young folks use on a daily basis that we give little notice to. Back in days gone by, young folks were exposed to firearms at a tender age and experienced in their use for the real purpose of hunting and self defense. They knew the value, purpose and consequences associated with this very valuable tool. As the families moved to town and acquired work away from the fields and woods, the young folks were less exposed/required to know about firearms, and lost the knowledge and responsibility for their use. Since we don't have the early experience of yore, we feel the necessity to establish some criteria, such as training and age level, to establish a benchmark for maturity. Fire at will!!!
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No firing on this end, summed it up well. I deal with people all the time that have no background or experience with firearms at all, scares them to death when all they see about guns is from the media and hollywood/tv. Of course here I'm preaching to choir.
Merl:
--- Quote from: CNeal on March 28, 2017, 02:17:41 PM ---I truely mean no disrespect to you sir, however do you really feel that economic status decides when you are allowed your rights?
I find your argument rather, well, ridiculous. I signed on the line at 17 yrs old with my parents permission. I turned 18 already in the service to my country and to hear you say it I was not entitled to my God given rights until I made corporal so I had enough money to pay my own rent and such? I find it insulting that some people actually believe that there are rights that haven't been earned when those same young men and women that they would deny rights to are serving and dying to save those same rights and freedoms for them that they would deny them.
Do I also understand that you believe that rights are also contingent on emotional maturity? Have you sir actually read the Constitution of These United States? My neighbor is a broke, immature, dumbass and I would fight to my death to defend his rights just as I would yours sir. This isn't about how you feel...
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I also enlisted at 17, and turned 18 in service to this country. The difference is that was almost 50 years ago. At the age of 12 I was guiding hunter friends of my uncles from Chicago on our family property but that was also 50 years ago. Do I equate rights from the constitution to financial or age tests, no you have the rights guaranteed by the constitution at birth, but that does not mean you have the right to exercise those rights at birth. Again it is a maturity issue and if a person has the maturity to use those rights in a proper way. My children were legally able to get drivers licenses at 16 but as their parent I did not see the maturity and responsibility within them at that time to allow them to do so. While driving is not a right it goes to the main principle of my argument, just because you have the right does not equate to you having the maturity to use it. As for the financial aspect of this argument it is set by society that when you are out of high school and can hold a full time job that most things become legal for you to do. That is maybe the benchmark society has set as when you become an adult and that age seems to be 21 by all markers in law. I actually find these arguments funny when most of you all seem to think the younger generations do not show the maturity to blow their own noses.
Merl:
--- Quote from: Greybeard on March 29, 2017, 10:00:16 AM ---At the risk of displaying my ignorance and destroying any credibility i might have had within this august body, I will offer up an opinion. Mntnman hit on what I believe to be a very solid point, that being that are a good many lethal items that young folks use on a daily basis that we give little notice to. Back in days gone by, young folks were exposed to firearms at a tender age and experienced in their use for the real purpose of hunting and self defense. They knew the value, purpose and consequences associated with this very valuable tool. As the families moved to town and acquired work away from the fields and woods, the young folks were less exposed/required to know about firearms, and lost the knowledge and responsibility for their use. Since we don't have the early experience of yore, we feel the necessity to establish some criteria, such as training and age level, to establish a benchmark for maturity. Fire at will!!!
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Well said Graybeard.
Mntnman:
--- Quote from: Merl on March 29, 2017, 12:54:13 PM ---Do I equate rights from the constitution to financial or age tests, no you have the rights guaranteed by the constitution at birth, but that does not mean you have the right to exercise those rights at birth. Again it is a maturity issue and if a person has the maturity to use those rights in a proper way.
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Bull! The subjective measurement of maturity is not used to determine whether or not you get to exercise your natural rights. BTW, you have them before birth. 😉
Can you tell me how many years we went before age restrictions became law in the first place?
Mntnman:
As it is now, if you're 21, pass the test, and have the money, you can carry concealed. Whether or not you are an immature idiot never comes into play. I would say that there were several people in my class that gave me concern, but we all passed. Two older gentlemen were my greatest concern, BTW!
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