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Utah lowers conceal carry age to 18
Merl:
--- Quote from: Mntnman on March 29, 2017, 04:17:41 PM ---Bull! The subjective measurement of maturity is not used to determine whether or not you get to exercise your natural rights. BTW, you have them before birth. 😉
Can you tell me how many years we went before age restrictions became law in the first place?
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You seem to get very upset with this topic so lets just agree to disagree, but I would really like to know at what point do you feel your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is trumped by my right to carry and how you make that determination. There are many things that we have the right to do, but for safety of the public we write laws abridging on that right, for example the right to free speech and not yelling fire in a crowded theater. Again I state the obvious, just because you have the right does not mean you have a right to exercise said right. At some point logic and sense must play a role in how we use our rights. This argument being used by many, "that it is my right" has not worked for decades and will fail if that is the only argument being made. It is why I have advocated for changing the discussion from a rights issue to a liability and defense issue. The liberals care not about your rights but do care about their pocketbooks.
Mntnman:
--- Quote from: Merl on March 29, 2017, 04:47:11 PM ---You seem to get very upset with this topic
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It does not upset me at all.
--- Quote from: Merl on March 29, 2017, 04:47:11 PM ---I would really like to know at what point do you feel your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is trumped by my right to carry and how you make that determination.
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Neither has anything to do with the other. My right is mine, yours is yours. What do you mean? Does the fact that you are lawfully carrying your weapon cause me harm?
--- Quote from: Merl on March 29, 2017, 04:47:11 PM ---Again I state the obvious, just because you have the right does not mean you have a right to exercise said right.
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How can you have a right if you can not exercise it? One cancels the other, do you have it or not?
--- Quote from: Merl on March 29, 2017, 04:47:11 PM ---There are many things that we have the right to do, but for safety of the public we write laws abridging on that right, for example the right to free speech and not yelling fire in a crowded theater. Again I state the obvious, just because you have the right does not mean you have a right to exercise said right.
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You have the right to free speech. Once you use that right to harm me, like yelling fire just to cause harm with panic, you have violated my right. At that point, you will be held responsible for your abusing your right. You don't get to infringe on my rights until you can trust me not to harm you with them.
Do you think that someone has to take a class and buy a permit before they can exercise their right? Because they don't in this state if they open carry as long as they stay away from where all the lefties live en masse. They can wear whatever weapon the choose and strut around with no training at all and that's the way it should be. Until they harm someone, they are legal and don't need a maturity tape measure. :D
Nine states allow Constitutional carry any way you choose without permit. It should be fifty!
Mntnman:
--- Quote from: Les on March 29, 2017, 10:37:59 AM ---No firing on this end, summed it up well. I deal with people all the time that have no background or experience with firearms at all, scares them to death when all they see about guns is from the media and hollywood/tv. Of course here I'm preaching to choir.
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After the terrorist attack in Orlando, my boss walked into work and yelled "Anyone who owns an AR is a f-n idiot!" I yelled back "Anyone that doesn't is a moron!" Then I asked him what kind of gun the terrorist used. He stated an AR15! I said, "Nope, it was a Sig Sauer MCX!" He didn't want to talk anymore because he doesn't know what that is either, lol.
Mali:
Don't mind me, gentlemen, I am going to be over here in the corner quietly listening in on a very interesting conversation. I can see both points and I am interested to hear more as it is something I think is hotly debated and yet not settled.
AAllen:
Rights come with responsibilities, so my question is does today's average 18 year old understand and practice the responsibilities that go along with this right? Working in retail at a place where I see these young people everyday I would have my doubts that they do. Are there exceptions, yes but the general 18 year old is closer to a 5 year old in actions than an adult. Why, education and family instilling these responsibilities into our youth is a major problem,today's young adults are about their rights and don't worry about when those rights trample on yours and accommodate those rights.
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