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Utah lowers conceal carry age to 18
FarmerRick:
--- Quote from: Merl on March 27, 2017, 06:28:44 PM ---I am not sure exactly how I feel about this. I know a lot of people that I would not want carrying over the age of 21. The reasoning given for signing the bill is the same we have heard for many other things including the drinking age, "if old enough to serve and die, old enough to do (fill in the blank). The problem with this thought process is that many who enlist in the service at 18 do not finish or make it past boot camp or the first year in service. Those that do mature very fast while in the military. Age does not equate to mentally adulthood and responsibility. I feel until you are able to financially support your actions than you should be limited on what you can do that causes costs to others.
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Freedom can be scary for some....
Merl:
--- Quote from: Mntnman on March 27, 2017, 08:33:40 PM ---Nothing personal, Merl, but I wish we could all get out of this mindset of "your" freedom is subject to "my" feelings and opinions. There are so many people of all ages that I would not feel comfortable around as they exercise their freedoms. But, they have the right, just as we do.
Lots of folks are only ok with people exercising their gun rights with training. Well, studies have concluded that mandatory training does not equate to more safety, just more obstacles.
I heard today on the radio that they want to give back voting rights to felons in some expedited manner compared to how they do it now. I say go for it. If you are going to give them the rights they should have, no point in stopping with voting. If they can't be trusted to be armed, they can't be trusted to vote and probably should not be among the law-abiding. How do you think Senator Chambers would feel about that?
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It has nothing to do with my "Feelings" as you put it, it has to do with the maturity of the 18 year old. For example in Nebraska a parent is responsible for his child until the age of 19. Under the premise of rights as you state them why is there any age limit, why not let a 6 year old or 12 year old carry? We as a society establish an age we mandate as becoming an adult and this usually ties into that you are able to support yourself and pay your own way. While this has changed in some respects, it is still a viable argument that at some point age equals being a legal adult.
Nebfamman:
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Mntnman:
--- Quote from: Merl on March 28, 2017, 12:25:57 PM ---It has nothing to do with my "Feelings" as you put it, it has to do with the maturity of the 18 year old. For example in Nebraska a parent is responsible for his child until the age of 19. Under the premise of rights as you state them why is there any age limit, why not let a 6 year old or 12 year old carry? We as a society establish an age we mandate as becoming an adult and this usually ties into that you are able to support yourself and pay your own way. While this has changed in some respects, it is still a viable argument that at some point age equals being a legal adult.
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In your case it is mostly opinions based on your feelings. But, while I was using your post to address it, it is mostly a commentary on how we ended up where we are and not meant as a jab at you personally.
I think if you are voting, you ought to be able to participate in what you are trying to preserve or destroy. Maturity and responsibility are not effectively measured by age and I don't think them relevant when it comes to gun rights as they are entirely subjective.
Consider that the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791 and there were no real firearms restrictions until 1934. Some would say that we progressed but I would disagree. While guns are capable of causing great carnage, so are very many other things that we use on a daily basis. We don't even think twice about them in the way we do guns and they don't even enjoy Constitutional protection! It's mostly because of the duality of firearms. People fail or flat refuse to realize the positives that firearms bring to the table and only assign a negative connotation to their use, even though many studies suggest at least a two to one positive/ negative outcome.
We as a society need to get over so many of our hangups concerning firearms laws or we will be the ones that lose it all. Even in groups like this, varying levels of comfort hinder the greater effort.
Greybeard:
At the risk of displaying my ignorance and destroying any credibility i might have had within this august body, I will offer up an opinion. Mntnman hit on what I believe to be a very solid point, that being that are a good many lethal items that young folks use on a daily basis that we give little notice to. Back in days gone by, young folks were exposed to firearms at a tender age and experienced in their use for the real purpose of hunting and self defense. They knew the value, purpose and consequences associated with this very valuable tool. As the families moved to town and acquired work away from the fields and woods, the young folks were less exposed/required to know about firearms, and lost the knowledge and responsibility for their use. Since we don't have the early experience of yore, we feel the necessity to establish some criteria, such as training and age level, to establish a benchmark for maturity. Fire at will!!!
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